Ouch.....this has to sting in light of the comments Clinton made toward Obama during the debate on Monday.

Too funny.

SCANDAL LAWYER HELP$ HILL
AP

June 26, 2007 -- A Chicago lawyer linked to the public corruption scandal involving Barack Obama's controversial political patron co-hosted a fund-raiser yesterday for Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Myron Cherry, a longtime Democratic fund-raiser, appeared in a federal indictment against Antoin "Tony" Rezko, who faces fraud charges related to an Illinois public pension fund.

The indictment against Rezko alleges that in late 2003, he agreed to help get $25 million in state pension business for a firm that would pay a finder's fee to a business associate. But because of that associate's tie to Rezko, they agreed to claim the fee's recipient was another, unnamed businessman, who allegedly did no work. That was Cherry, says a person familiar with the probe.

Cherry has denied any wrongdoing. His connection to Rezko could be problematic for Clinton, as her chief rival, Obama, has been dogged by questions about his ties to Rezko.

Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer declined to comment

Is anyone else sick of Hillary crying at the drop of a freaking hat? She cried again in Connecticut. I mean, I would cry too if I was caught in Connecticut, but come on.......keep the tears at bay Hill......

Well Obama is expanding his lead in California, so maybe she's thinking "it worked once before...".

that crying stuff doesn't work in my house....

Crying!? Are you crying? There's no crying in politics!

She teared up because someone she knew was saying kind things to her. I don't see anything sinister in that.

Hillary in Connecticut

That was a very kind introduction. I got a little choked up and I really don't like Senator Clinton all that much. I wish I could. I'd LOVE to see a woman in the White House. But, I would be just as happy to see a black man there too. That said, I don't think she did it intentionally at all. It was sentimental.

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Originally posted by Amy:
That was a very kind introduction. I got a little choked up and I really don't like Senator Clinton all that much. I wish I could. I'd LOVE to see a woman in the White House. But, I would be just as happy to see a black man there too. That said, I don't think she did it intentionally at all. It was sentimental.

Amy, normally I agree with most of your comments. I have to mention two things though that bother me from talk on threads and on the street. "I'd LOVE to see a woman in the White House"? "A black man there too"? Do you mean to say all qualifications being equal, affirmative action rules and a minority gets the top spot?

I would hope that you have more qualifications expected of your future president than rich, white woman or rich, black man.

Also, even though it seems petty, I would hope with Hillary negotiating in the Middle East they won't have to break every ten minutes because her emotions got the best of her. She is either extremely calculating or entirely too easily overcome.

There is something to be said for rich, white men from AZ with a long distinguished record and career.

The black man or woman thing is just icing on the top of someone who is already qualified to lead our country and whose platform I agree with. I made the mistake of assuming that was understood. I would simply like to see someone who is bright and qualified who also represents something besides what we've always had: White guys...You know, the "change" everyone keeps talking about. Obviously I don't have a problem with white guys (I'm married to one, my son is one, my father is one, and many of my male friends are white) and I never would have voted for Jesse Jackson. Nor will I vote for Hillary because she's a woman. All things being equal, I'll pick the best candidate. I'm just glad to see an incredibly qualified black man finally making it this far in politics. He will make a great President. We need good role models and he will be one.

By the way, I will say Rob, that your comment about Hillary needing breaks during Middle East negotiations is completely inappropriate. The situation today was a direct reaction to someone who played an important role in her past. His words were extremely sentimental. Bill, George, and loads of male Presidents have become emotional in similar situations.

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What exactly makes B.O. an incredibly qualified candidate?

He looks handsome in a suit and is well spoken, but what else?

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Originally posted by Amy:
I'm just glad to see an incredibly qualified black man finally making it this far in politics. He will make a great President. We need good role models and he will be one.

What "exactly" makes B.O. and incredibly qualified candidate? Which of his specific ideas makes you think he would make a geat president. Help me because I must be missing something.

He is well spoken and looks handsome in a suit, but surely there must be more to it.

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Originally posted by little...way:
She teared up because someone she knew was saying kind things to her. I don't see anything sinister in that.

Hillary in Connecticut

Sinister-No. Calculated-Yes.

In response to the Barack Obama question, I'll keep it as succinct as possible:

Inspirational speaker, genuine, and well-educated. Held multiple leadership roles (President of Harvard Law Review, State Senator, US Senator, Community Organizer, Consitutional Law instructor). International experience: Traveled and lived abroad and father was African. Didn't have parents with "connections". Didn't start in politics but after working at the community level, realized the only way to make real change was to become involved in politics. He's done all this and he's only 46! (Plus, he's a Leo - Leo's make the best leaders - I'm not biased in that statement.)

On one level, he is the kind of inspirational leader we so desperately need. He is willing to work through difficult issues and yes, he will compromise when necessary - an essential skill for a successful President. On the policy side, not only does he have a great brain and solid ideas, he will have many talented people flock to him to get involved in policy. I think we all know that in no small way, a good President is made by the people surrounding him (or her).

Felt great to cast my ballot this morning.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amy:

Inspirational speaker, genuine, and well-educated. Held multiple leadership roles (President of Harvard Law Review, State Senator, US Senator, Community Organizer, Consitutional Law instructor). International experience: Traveled and lived abroad and father was African. Didn't have parents with "connections". Didn't start in politics but after working at the community level, realized the only way to make real change was to become involved in politics. He's done all this and he's only 46! (Plus, he's a Leo - Leo's make the best leaders - I'm not biased in that statement.)

Amazing.
He will make a great President because he traveled and lived abroad?
He's 46.
Didn't have connections.
Father was African.

You are talking about electing the leader of The Free World here, not the Chicago Chamber of Commerce.

You forgot to say that he looks good in a suit.


Amy, I can't tell if you were being cynical or not.

Amy - you know I think you're great and value your opinion in many areas - but I really doubt Obama's living abroad can really count for much. Wasn't he a little kid - like 7-12 at the time? He was likely more concerned about when his mother might leave him with his grandparents again than enjoying an international experience.

Though he is a Leo - so I might have to reconsider some of his attributes.

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but I really doubt Obama's living abroad can really count for much.

I disagree. I've traveled abroad quite a bit and I think exposure to other cultures, values and way of life can give a leader a better understanding of the world in general. Though I'm a conservative, one of the things I do like about Obama is his exposure to other countries/cultures.

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Originally posted by Amy:
By the way, I will say Rob, that your comment about Hillary needing breaks during Middle East negotiations is completely inappropriate. The situation today was a direct reaction to someone who played an important role in her past. His words were extremely sentimental. Bill, George, and loads of male Presidents have become emotional in similar situations.

Maybe you are right. From a completely sexist male point of view, I can definitely see the disarming use of tears in loads of negotiating situations. "What do you mean you won't stop killing our citizens Osama?" Waaaahhhh..*sniff, sniff*

I know I give up the arguments in those situations.

Rob, you completely missed my point. Or, perhaps you ingnored it. The situation in which she teared up was completely different than sitting down for mediation or negotiations. Look, I didn't vote for Hillary but I get so irritated when people try to lump women into this weak and emotional category. For example, I tend to cry easily at sentimental, touching things. I would NEVER cry during teacher contract negotiations or while sitting with my boss to discuss my evaluation (though I'd have to reason to cry about my evaluations)

FWIW, I don't think her tears were calculated. The situation was unique and the person speaking was a mentor and nearly lifelong friend....get over it.


And Yoss, I appreciate you sticking up for my viewpoint despite your Republican tendancies!

I do think living abroad counts - even at a young age. Maybe even because it was at a young age ...the formative years. He had to learn how to manage a COMPLETELY different culture. And even if you discount his childhood experience abroad, he is very well-travelled. Take the converse - our current President who had only been to Mexico (probably drove accross the border to sneak a margarita when he was a teen or something stupid like that).

And no, Grateful, I wasn't being cynical. I do think a president needs many of the qualities Obama possesses. I did point out the characteristics that make him DIFFERENT from the rest of the pack. I think he easily possesses all of the standard skills: decicive, knows constitutional law, rational, intelligent, willing to research issues and options, willing to go to others for advice, and input. The list could go on. I just pointed out his UNIQUE skills.

I think McCain has some unique skills too and if I had to vote Republican, I'd probably vote for him though I really think he's too old (though he is obviously quite energetic!).