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Upside to global warming...elderly Eskimos don't have to spend as much time on the ice floes as they once did.
They don't still do that, do they? Senilicide?
If any new info regarding global warming is discovered to support or debunk it....probably won't be broken in a conservative-leaning or left wing blog.
Posts: 9128 | Location: CLEA | Registered: November 04, 2004
dang, what I think is fascinating is how anyone managed a global conspiracy over many years and including thousands and thousands of scientists, keeping the underpinnings secret - and then it's broken by a blog! So, so - X-Files in spirit!
It just boggles the rational mind.
Posts: 441 | Location: Glen Ellyn, IL USA | Registered: October 06, 2003
I just pulled down a couple of posts that added nothing to the discussion of policies, procedures or principles... and were anything but educated, informed, and/or thoughtful opinion.
Please people... lets try to keep things above childish name-calling and insults. Thanks —Ted E.
Posts: 1342 | Location: Glen Ellyn, IL USA | Registered: March 21, 2003
Check the source. This is how twisted and made-up stuff become news stories... someone says or writes something untrue and then people report on it and talk about how the "main stream media" is avoiding the truth and pretty soon my Dad in Wisconsin believes it and sends me an email about how true it is. Death panels. Fake birth certificates. Cell phone lists being made public. Medicare cuts is always a good one. Global warming scam. Even gay sex being taught in schools to kindergardeners... The list of crazy claims and conspiracy theories grows because guys like this can start a website.
Maybe some of this guys facts are correct (even a stopped watch is right twice a day.). His conclusions are not. Check out his other "reporting" on his website and you'll get a feel for who does and who does not have an agenda or at least a screw loose.
And BTW, the "main stream media" would avoid a true story that would pull in ratings because?
If the original post was sarcasm and a joke, you got me.
If we continue burning all of these carbon based fuels, (or even hydrogen) that require Oxygen for the combustion to take place. . . . . . Then Why haven't we run out of Oxygen?
Seriously...it has become embarrassing the number of e-mails I get in any given day with political pabulum intentionally spewed forth to mislead the unsmart. Then the unsmart dutifully forward this partisan tripe to all of their like minded friends and colleagues.
I am all for opposing views with regard to politics, religion, hockey team loyalty...absolutely. But there is no way that people are so gullible and so....unsmart.
Posts: 9128 | Location: CLEA | Registered: November 04, 2004
Because there's just a whole lot of reason for the scientific community worldwide to "hide evidence" and "cherry pick" about climate. LOL
I remember reading somewhere that the media itself admits it complicates the issue through inaccurate reporting. When the reporter barely understand global warming and then reports inaccurate information- It's quickly found out and used by every type of loon to discredit the scientist who never said what was incorrectly reporteded.
C'mon. We all know better. Seeing all those trains passing through Glen Ellyn umpteen times a day loaded with WY coal to be burned to generate electricity doesn't have an impact? And that's just the very tip of the melting iceberg.
I always ponder about what this area looked like, oh, about 15,000 years ago. There was about a 1/2 mile of ice over the whole jernt.
It all melted away as the Mega-Glaciers of the most recent Ice Age receded, carving out the Great lakes as they piddled and dribbled away. No humans helped.
Oh, and the Great MeltOff made a lot of cool moraines up in the Land of Cheddar, Cows And Packers.
We all know that 95% of the water in Lake Michigan [and all of the other GLs] is STILL, to this day, glacial melt water, right?
Actually not enough water on the planet to produce a half mile or mile of ice that must have been above us. Plus the glaciers got here really fast to be here and gone in the geologic time frame, compared to glaciers we can observe on the planet in our minuscule perspective. Fascinating nevertheless.
Originally posted by Russ: Check the source. This is how twisted and made-up stuff become news stories... someone says or writes something untrue and then people report on it and talk about how the "main stream media" is avoiding the truth and pretty soon my Dad in Wisconsin believes it and sends me an email about how true it is. Death panels. Fake birth certificates. Cell phone lists being made public. Medicare cuts is always a good one. Global warming scam. Even gay sex being taught in schools to kindergardeners... The list of crazy claims and conspiracy theories grows because guys like this can start a website.
Maybe some of this guys facts are correct (even a stopped watch is right twice a day.). His conclusions are not. Check out his other "reporting" on his website and you'll get a feel for who does and who does not have an agenda or at least a screw loose.
And BTW, the "main stream media" would avoid a true story that would pull in ratings because?
If the original post was sarcasm and a joke, you got me.
Right GESM2 - Free oxygen did not exist on the planet until life figured out photosynthesis (aerobic) was a more efficient energy source than anaerobic (sulfide- swamp gas) for life. The entire planet "rusted" (oxidized) when that happened. It's one of the true irreversible events in nature. Minerals formed before that point cannot happen again.
Folks, there is NO argument whatsoever that enormous glacial ice fields covered about the top 35%-40% of North America 15,000 years ago.
Where'd they go?
I am neither a "climate change" groupie or a rabid denier. All I know is that this planet goes through some serious "climate change" on a fairly regular basis.
I do think we can do better than what we have [lazily] fallen in to.
In other words, I'll hedge my bet and side with Man Bear Pig for now.
Uhm, more than likely because we still have trees and other foliage to produce more oxygen....just a thought.
Uhm. . . . .My point exactly. So when the plant pulls the CO2 from the atmosphere, It captures the carbon to use in it's organic structure (i.e. growth and sugars) and releases the oxygen.
Since we aren't running out of oxygen, isn't it safe to conclude that plants and such are pulling out CO2 at a rate comparable to carbon emissions? If they weren't then we'd all be dead by now.
I think the most damning thing in those emails is the attempt to force journals from printing other points of view. Science is supposed to be unbiased - papers are supposed to live or die on their own merits. But Mann et. al. converse back and forth about pressuring the journal Climate Research to not print articles from people who draw different conclusions than them. That's not robust scientific debate, it's suppression.
The other evil is their admission that they throw out / don't use / transform data that doesn't agree with what they want it to say.
Mixing social and economic policy with debatable science is a big mistake, IMO.
Posts: 1957 | Location: Posh YMCA District | Registered: June 04, 2003
