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| GlenEllynite |
It's official. Well, as official as a concept can get. The 2.6 acres of greenspace at Hadley will be....Artificial turf. They don't put that on their website. Yes, we will have a state of the art playground to rival anything in the city. You know, for liability purposes, it will be locked, and you can just forget those days of play on that big field. At the traffic meeting with the Wheaton Hadley residents, a resident asked "so, we will have no greenspace", the planner replied (thank you Mr. Clinton) "It depends on your definition of greenspace". He went on to add that "I guess we could put a strip of real grass around this." Now, I want to know when they will put a dome over it and sell it as an indoor soccer facility so that the school district can make money. "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices." William James | ||
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| GlenEllynite |
Wow! Isn't it true that injuris are more likely on artificil turf? If so, is that what we want young, developing bones and musles running on? | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Yeah, but think of all the savings in mowing maintenance!!!! I bet that savings can cut 3-4 days off the total bond bill repayment. “just like in real life there's still rules on this team. Unlike real life? Nobody's above the rules on this field." – Coach Eric Taylor | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
And, Rob, we may not need to build that $50,000 lawn mower shed either. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Pave the entire freaking lot? Show of hands - how many people are not the teeniest bit digusted by this? | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
People, people, people...for the love of God. Can't you see anything positive here? Can't you look past your short-sighted views and see that with this artificial turf, green space will be green 365 days a year? This is a good thing. Wait till Kevin Spengel hears that he gets to stare across the street at his former playing field...all shiny and presumably green (Hey....look at Wheaton College. They can make that **** in any color you want!)...and locked out like the rest of us schmucks. Kevin...my lot...all 50 X 113 feet...and I'm assuming one of the smallest in the CLE Area...is open to you and your family any time you'd like to use it should the referendum pass. Just don't fall off the front yard. I won't be held liable for that kind of nonsense. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
I'm at work so I only have a second for this but I mentioned this to a co-worker who explained to me that turf is a HUGE problem because of staff infections. Her son played football in college for a team with turf and they had major issues with staff infection because of it. Another reason to wonder what these people are thinking!!! | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
I emailed Julie Worthen when I'd heard about the turf comments at the meeting (I wasn't there). She replied that this is one option. The meat of her response is reprinted below.
Frankly, I could understand why artificial turf would make sense given the conceptual plan they've provided. With that little openspace left, there will be no chance to rotate PE usage from field to field to protect natural grass from being worn out and becoming a mud pit. Maintenance is a plus, as is quicker reuse after rain/melt events. Of course, artificial turf doesn't meet my definition of green space, and I think this is just one more reason to dislike this option and vote against it, so that we can look to the other options open to us. Bob Solak | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Glad to hear it is but one option, but doesn't often seem as tho the "concept" we are initially informed of becomes the only possible solution? I personally know of several individuals in town who have been adversely affected by the way neighboring teardowns and rebuilds changed the drainage and waterflow. Does astroturf absorb water the same way dirt and grass does? If not, that water's gotta go somewhere - and that somewhere might end up being the neighbors' basements. I'm not familiar with the topography in that area, but personally, I wouldn't want to live down hill from there... | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
If i see that cloying term "STAKEHOLDERS" one more time...Julie Worthen: "Decisions will be made with the stakeholders..." | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Why does Hadley need huge amounts of greenspace with natural grass? We don’t live in southern California. Outdoor PE is not exactly something that can be counted on. In September it’s blazing hot more often than not, by the time Halloween hits, you children are likely wearing winter coats and as seen by our recent weather, you can’t count on a true warm up until April. So that leaves periodic days in September, October, April and May - that is if it isn’t raining, snowing or muddy as a result of rain or snow. But, yes, there should be acres and acres of natural grass surrounding our junior high so that the children can run to their heart’s content for 40 minutes sporadically throughout the school year. Aside from PE and potentially recess for 5th grade, when exactly are these children using the greenspace? They are dropped off and picked up promptly at the start of the day and at the end of the day in mom’s van/suv (hence the traffic meeting) so there’s no chance of before and after school play. And promptly after school ends, the children can all play to their heart’s content on their very own parent owned and operated greenspace. Well, that’s if they are not whisked away to voice lessons, basketball practice, dance class, piano lessons, or tennis. All things that (gasp) don’t involve green grass either. If you want your child to play on grass, point out the back yard. Our children are not deprived. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Come look at my backyard. Smaller than every green on the PGA tour. It's for Kevin and his kids, Mamattorney. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
On a related comment, Fan, at recent district meeting, a high level administation official pointed out the "media center" at the new school. The comment I heard her say was that it in essence was the heart of the school. Funny, I always thought that the classrooms and teachers were at the heart of the school. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
If all the Glen Ellyn children were happily playing pick up games of football after school, then why the constant moaning and and groaning about traffic at the start of school and the end of school? Very few walk and very few are dropped off or picked up at any time other than right before school and right after school. If my powers of observation are insufficent for me to formulate an opinion (because, before you ask, I don't have any studies to rely on) then so be it. I challenge you to go to Hadley 35 minutes after school lets out and you tell me how many children remain playing in the abundant green space of the school, living the lifestyle you remember. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
My observations have been that the schoolyards and parks tend to be essentially deserted the vast majority of the time other than organized competition and the occasional evening baseball/soccer practices. My reason for preferring grass and soil over pavement is almost entirely ecological - and I guess reflects my general preference (when given an option) for things that are natural and organic as opposed to artifical petroleum products. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
heart: definition 6(a) from Miriam Webster - the central or innermost part. Take a look at the conceptual plan. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
What I accused you of was b*tching about the other side actually taking the time to organize their efforts. I stand by my statement as made at that moment in time, although I admit that the efforts of the "no's" have been much more organized since I made that statement. And if everyone is walking to school, then I repeat why the upheaval over traffic? Why is traffic a problem now? Why is traffic a problem ever? Children can walk and if it is unsafe/too far to walk, they will be bussed. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Sorry, but if we are going to call ourselves the "New England of the Midwest" we ought to stick with our theme of having ample green space and trees. Green space means green stuff growing, not butt-ugly astro turf. What a joke. I find it particularly interesting that the pro-ref crowd is ready to toss out the idea of ample 'green space' when it comes to Hadley. Bring up the idea of Spaulding and they cry out: "we can't do it....there will be a lack of green space!" Just another example of the spin factor and what happens when people drink that kool-aid! As for kids not playing at the park after school, I have to laugh out loud at that one. Not a day goes by that I don't see several kids playing at Ben Franklin playground after school. We also use the green space there for baseball and soccer practice. No option for either with the Hadley mini-golf theme. There is a part of me that actually hopes they do it. I will laugh my *** off when the public sees how nasty is really looks, and demands that it be torn up. Oh wait, that means I'll be stuck paying for that as well. Not so funny after all. | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
Yes, of course - your observations trump mine every time because, well, because you are GE Fan and your post count is higher than mine. Where are your studies? Where are your statistics on the number of walkers vs. car riders? Why the issues and griping over traffic? | |||
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| GlenEllynite |
I thought lawyers actually thought about their questions before they asked them. While you've been pretty balanced in your previous posts, I get a sense that something has happened in the last few days that has caused you to come unglued. Do you get the Daily Herald? | |||
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