...beat some sense into this kid with a lead pipe.

Let's see....drunk driving at 17 years of age. Check. Crash through a barrier. Check. Everyone thrown from the car (cops usually never unbuckle dead bodies from cars). Check. Blame others for your incredibly poor lack of judgment. Check.

I understand that the cops may have done something bad here, but who the **** is this idiot for not taking responsibility for killing them?

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"A lot of people tell me that it wasn't my fault, that there was nothing that I could do," said Moore, a senior at Gary's West Side High School. "I realize that it wasn't my fault, but sometimes I feel like it was -- it really wasn't -- but it's just how I feel sometimes."

The kid's just a victim here, he had nothing to do with it.

I mean other than putting the beer in his belly, the key in the ignition, wheel in hand and foot on the accelerator ...

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Darius Moore, the 17 year old, not wearing a seatbelt, probably drunk driver stated-"I'm angry at police because I thought they could have found my friends, and they probably would be alive today if [police] had just done their job,"

D-Mo-I got a reality check for you.

-If your sorry a$$ hadn't been drinking and driving, your friends would be alive today. It's just that simple my friend. I will give D-Mo this, the cops would have been doing their job by arresting him for underage drinking BEFORE he got in the car.

-If you had all been wearing your seatbelts, your friends might be alive.

D-Mo, I'm going to give you some advice at no charge. Take responsibility for your actions. The rest of the world has not been put in place to clean up your mess. You want to get a well paying job in this life, learn to take responsibility. You want to get married and raise a family, learn to take responsibility.

It's clear to me that the families of the deceased are probably lining up their lawsuits against the police. Hey somebody is dead, but not all is lost, because we can hit the lottery and get that plasma tv now.

They won't go after D-Mo, well because D-Mo doesn't have any money. I feel bad for D-Mo, he's lost his friends, his perspective and the opportunity to grow as a man.

D-Mo has a personal interest in the police being at fault for the death of his friends...reckless/vehicular homicide charges. Stupid ****.

From another article on CNN

"A medical examiner determined they died instantaneously of blunt-force injuries that were "nonsurvivable," said Jeff Wells, spokesman for the Lake County coroner's office."


"But the Smiths said they are unsure of this assessment"

"The Smiths have hired a representative to conduct an independent autopsy on their son's body."


They are absolutely hoping for a different finding so the Litigation Lottery can commence.

I'm all for victims receiving compensation when they are irreparably harmed or killed. And I hope the victims families get a substantial amount from Darius Moore.

Let's see - the boys were drinking (there is no legal limit if you are a minor), out at 1 a.m., speeding and not wearing seatbelts. Definitely the police department's fault - the police should have arrested or stopped them before they hurt/killed themselves, right?

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Originally posted by Clamato:
I'm all for victims receiving compensation when they are irreparably harmed or killed. And I hope the victims families get a substantial amount from Darius Moore.

I believe the families have done their research, listened to some free 1-800 info tapes, and watched some daytime televison. D-Mo is not their target.

We want "justice"....

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Originally posted by Ruydah:

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Originally posted by Clamato:
I'm all for victims receiving compensation when they are irreparably harmed or killed. And I hope the victims families get a substantial amount from Darius Moore.

I believe the families have done their research, listened to some free 1-800 info tapes, and watched some daytime televison. D-Mo is not their target.

We want "justice"....

Hey Potts: What do you think? Indiana plaintiff? Dismissed.

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Originally posted by ronkas:

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Originally posted by Ruydah:

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Originally posted by Clamato:
I'm all for victims receiving compensation when they are irreparably harmed or killed. And I hope the victims families get a substantial amount from Darius Moore.

I believe the families have done their research, listened to some free 1-800 info tapes, and watched some daytime televison. D-Mo is not their target.

We want "justice"....

Hey Potts: What do you think? Indiana plaintiff? Dismissed.

I think that in my experience the cause if death as determined by state examiners has often correlated to political convenience rather than medicine. I don't know what happened here but one cannot criticize the family for seeking out a second opinion. Problem being, there is no mechanism in our legal system for obtaining reliable information/discovery without filing suit. Although I have very little positive things to say about the Plaintiffs lawyer that is representing the family, it is the right of the family to independently investigate the occurrence. I feel that many if not all of you would do the same thing if it were your son/daughter...especially if it is on the lawyers dime, and not yours.

And say what you will about the facts preceding the accident, but how can one argue that this wasn't a major mistake by law enforcement?

Shouldn't the family have had their second opinion on cause of death before the funeral directors prepared him for burial? Won't some of the signs to determine cause of death be gone?

It seems to me that someone, (lawyer), convinced the family that they would be able to get something out of the deal if they filed suit...

I'm pretty torn on this one. Like JR said...the facts preceding the accident are clear, but if it was my son laying there for 4-6 hours and missed by law enforcement...I'd be real angry too.

It is my hope that the families of the victims collect a satisfactory amount of money from the individual that put them in that ditch.

I'd be angry as well....at my son's "friend" who drove drunk and probably wasn't a reliable person to listen to because of his condition. Nonetheless, I heard the police tapes and they did clearly hear that there were others who should have been in the car (or around it).

I do think we are "sue happy" and those boys were dead - whether found immediately or found hours later. If the medical examiner found that to be true, then I'd be glad my child didn't lay there suffering....

It's time to play "Litigation Lottery", where our contestants use a loved ones misfortune to bolster their bank account. Our players need to indentify a scapegoat with deep pockets and a willingness to avoid bad publicity, then they file suit. It doesn't matter who is truly at fault, especially if they don't have two nickels to rub together, to win you have to go after organisations with lots of money or a political career at stake.

But seriously, this is sad. I'm not letting the cops off the hook, but come on. If I'm a cop I'm thinking the others have fled the scene because they were intoxicated. The cops should improve their accident scene procedures, the family should not profit from this incident.

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Originally posted by Yossarian:
It's time to play "Litigation Lottery", where our contestants use a loved ones misfortune to bolster their bank account. Our players need to indentify a scapegoat with deep pockets and a willingness to avoid bad publicity, then they file suit. It doesn't matter who is truly at fault, especially if they don't have two nickels to rub together, to win you have to go after organisations with lots of money or a political career at stake.

But seriously, this is sad. I'm not letting the cops off the hook, but come on. If I'm a cop I'm thinking the others have fled the scene because they were intoxicated. The cops should improve their accident scene procedures, the family should not profit from this incident.

Yoss: Again, don't let the facts get in the way of your perfectly good rant. Why is it that you look at the victims with a skeptical eye and law enforcement with total trust in what was said. I would have thought that you would have learned something from the recent Chicago Police Officer scandals.

The facts are as follows:
Kids in car
Driver is drunk
Kids are likely drunk
Kids in car get in bad accident
Police respond
Driver says others were in the car

Now here is where it gets murky:
Do the police even look for others
Are the others even alive
How long to the police look
Where do the police look
What are the protocols

Back to the facts:
Other kids are found dead HOURS later
State employed medical examiner determines that kids died instantaniously
Medical examiner is employed by a governmental body
Police officers are employed by a governmental body

Was everything on the up-and-up? Maybe. Do the faimilies have a right to take a second look? Absolutely!

You write, "If I'm a cop I'm thinking the others have fled the scene because they were intoxicated." HOW? We are talking about an accident that was apparently severe enough to kill the occupants IMMEDIATELY (remember, that's what the medical examiner said). If the accident was so severe as to kill the occupants IMMEDIATELY, how would any police officer reasonably believe that the other occupants fled the scene because they were drunk....especially if they were not driving.

Finally, you write, "the cops should improve their accident scene procedures, the family should not profit from this incident." Do you really think that anything would be done to improve these skills if there weren't a threat of accountability? If there wasn't the threat of accountability our legislature, government and everyone in a position of power would run all over the people...you know, that system of checks and balances.

Hypothetical, your wife dies in a tragic accident where the pilot takes off on the wrong run-way. Stay with me here. Do you sue? Or do you merely ask that the airline improve their taking-off procedures?

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Originally posted by my2cents:
I'm pretty torn on this one. Like JR said...the facts preceding the accident are clear, but if it was my son laying there for 4-6 hours and missed by law enforcement...I'd be real angry too.

The facts preceding the accident have absolutely nothing to do with inquiry. The facts prior to the accident merely prejudice your thoughts. Take the facts prior to the crash, the races of the occupants, the location of the incident and the events subsequent to the boys being discovered totally out of the equation as they are irrelevant...and now tell me how you feel - as that is all that matters.

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Originally posted by IMJ:
Shouldn't the family have had their second opinion on cause of death before the funeral directors prepared him for burial? Won't some of the signs to determine cause of death be gone?

It seems to me that someone, (lawyer), convinced the family that they would be able to get something out of the deal if they filed suit...

Come on IMJ, you know better than that. Our society is at a point where they don't need to be reminded (by a lawyer or anyone) that they can get something out of it.

Potts-I understand this is your livelihood, so you would be remiss not to present a counter point.

Why isn't the driver getting sued?

Hold on, guys....I'd like to get some popcorn and get my seatbelt fastened.



OK...continue.