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GlenEllynite |
can you share the names of the two business owners who came to lend a hand? perhaps their business name? I'd like to know since I missed out on the 'fun'
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GlenEllynite |
Fan-You make some good points and it is probably true that if we don't do it, no one will. I do think we need to rethink our strategy-doing this early on a Sunday morning gets minimal visability and that is what I think we need visability. I'm thinking we need to do this in the middle of the day on a Saturday to get maximum visability and hopefully impact. People are curious as to what we are doing and being more visable may generate more support. I'd like to see more business owners support our efforts, I guess that's what Clam was doing at a certain shop on Main street.
 With that in mind, I'd like to give a big "Thank you" to Starbucks for letting us assemble there, and providing free coffee. The folks there couldn't have been nicer. "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Winston Churchill) |
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GlenEllynite |
Buggy I am not comfortable sharing the names of the business owners, but I will give you a hint: one is from north of the tracks and the other from the south. Both have histories of family owned businesses and both have been in business for a long time.
Spines there were NOT 1000 cigarette butts at the train station. I think 2000 or maybe 3000 is more accurate. I definitely think we should continue for the summer months as I think the awareness we raise is as important as the actual clean up. I personally don't care about the publicity. I do this because I want to and that is enough for me. I would prefer any of the first 3 Sundays in June. I enjoyed working with everyone today. Most of the joy of volunteering is the people that are involved. “Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!”—Dr. Seuss |
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GlenEllynite |
The cleanup looked very nice around 11:00 a.m. You really made a difference! It is however, back to business as usual. By 7:00 p.m. the area outside Starbucks was loaded with butts and debris.
The village use to send a guy around the block almost every night with a big blower. He would blow all the crap out into the street, then minutes later our street sweeper would come along and suck it all up. Haven't seen this service in year, suppose they took early retirement to enjoy their hefty pension. I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me. Ayn Rand Anthem |
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GlenEllynite |
Oh no!!!! Bitterboy, please accept my most sincere apologies!!!! I KNEW I was forgetting someone while I was typing but I was in a hurry to my son's baseball game. You rock, my friend.
AND, I actually didn't know you guys did the south side. I was over by the firestation helping with that little project and didn't know you went over the tracks - my bad! Gosh, I've really dissed you and I honestly didn't mean to! I hope you can forgive me! "The most valuable things in life are not measured in monetary terms. The really important things are not houses and lands, stocks and bonds, automobiles and real state, but friendships, trust, confidence, empathy, mercy, love and faith. " -Bertrand Russell V. Delong |
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GlenEllynite |
I know you were just saving the best for last.
 "You shouldn't soil your Sunday pants, like those other foolish ants." |
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GlenEllynite |
I must have just missed GEM - but I saw the same thing. There was a throng of young people puffing away and throwing their cigarette wrappers on the ground in front of Starbucks just past 7pm. This was less than 12 hours after the sidewalk was immaculate! One youth was sitting strategically - it seemed - in front of the "No Smoking" sign on the bench, allowing the others to smoke freely. I would have liked to say something to them, but it felt like too big of a confrontation. btw - A local police officer walked right past and did nothing on his way into Starbucks for coffee. Is GE going to get those smoking posts? At least there would be a receptacle to politely direct the smokers towards with their stinky butts. |
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GlenEllynite |
I think people need to understand we don't need media coverage for personal recognition, we need media coverage so the people of GE who don't read the GEBB, know this clean-up is being done by private citizens fed up with the lack of effort by the village of GE.
We need the elected officials of this town to get out of their comfort zone and take action. This won't happen unless we bring the weight of public opinion to bear on them and get them in a situation where they have to respond. Right now it's all good for them-The downtown gets cleaned and they don't lift a finger. And unless GE citizens read the GEBB or talk to one of us, who do you think will get the credit? There's an election next year and we have a party that will trot out it's slate of candidates. The party I'm referring to gave us our current village president and a trustee who refers to concerned citizens as the "vociferous little minority". This same party told Pete Ladesic, "thanks, but no thanks" so he ran and won a seat as a village trustee spending his own money. This is the same party that stated the decaying CBD was just "cyclical". Pete Ladesic has been the only village official who has participated in the clean-up of the CBD. How many of the 11,000 plus citizens of GE know this? Our fellow citizens/voters need to know because we need more people like Pete on our village council. "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Winston Churchill) |
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GlenEllynite |
I'm really impressed at you guys for doing this.
May I suggest that if it is worth doing (and I think it is) then you might just want to keep doing it, and wait for it to grow organically. If it is worthwhile, the publicity and increased interest/participation will come. Also, if it is worth doing, then it is worth doing ourselves, rather than bitching and moaning about our elected/paid officials' inaction. My suggestion would be to simply set a specific day. Maybe the 3d Sunday of every month, and whoever can make it makes it. Makes it easier than trying to coordinate schedules. Also might increase awareness, if it recurred consistently. I'd be very happy to join you if one is ever scheduled at a time that does not conflict with my Sat/Sun a.m. golf games. No matter how laudable your efforts, one has to have his priorities in order, no? |
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GlenEllynite |
I rubbed my eyes and read this three times. Then I repeatedly looked to see if it was actually you who wrote it. You....Dinsdale. Never correct me again.  |
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GlenEllynite |
Yoss,
Now your cleaning the CBD, soon you will need to get a group together to patch the streets and or mow the parks. Your actions and efforts (Which I appreciate and admire) are just a form of enabling a poor administration. You're tax dollars pay for city services, The local government is here for you and the betterment of the community. Somewhere along the line the roles have "flipped" and the current administration operates like a monarchy. The citizens are here for them, as they are now the "elite". ( It surprises me that the Village doesn't require the BB group to obtain and pay for a permit prior to the clean up.) The only way GE is going to shape up is: A: revolution B: recall C: elect more responsible officials Since most people don't follow local politics they probably have no idea who is on the board. Whoever runs for office next year, should make a point of pointing their finger at the incumbent. I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me. Ayn Rand Anthem |
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GlenEllynite |
What exactly is your issue? That I should have been impressed "with" you guys, or "impressed at you guys [] doing this"? Maybe someone was actually forcing me in your general direction (impressing me at) - ever think of that Mr. Smarty Pants with the imaginary mutant dog? You ain't never gonna consistently get that level of precision from me in a MB post - especially before I start my 2d pot of joe. |
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GlenEllynite |
Ahhh... this is a great question, but where would one place such a receptacle? There is no smoking within 15 feet from any business entrance, the bench in front of Starbucks in within 15 feet of such an entrance. Therefore, the receptacle would have to be placed in the street, where the all the smokers should be. "You shouldn't soil your Sunday pants, like those other foolish ants." |
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GlenEllynite |
We already have them.  I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me. Ayn Rand Anthem |
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GlenEllynite |
This is interesting and kind of ironic. When the CBD cleanliness/garbage situation was discussed in a public workshop meeting of the village board about two years ago, a majority of the board sited "personal responsibility" as a way to clean things up. IIRC, the trustees said ordinances were in place that stated: 1.) Business operators were responsible for cleaning the sidewalk in front of their place of operation, much like residents are responsible for cleaning the parkway in front of their homes. 2.) Residents of the CBD were not entitled to put their personal trash in public receptacles. 3.) Property owners had to provide adequate trash removal for all tennants. The majority at the time thought that government providing extra service enabled CBD property owners, business operators and residents from committing to and observing the ordinances. The minority at the time felt that whatever the process was to date, it was not working and steps should be taken to fix it, be they enforcement, investment or government intervention. So, what is so interesting is all sides seem to find the other as enabling. It would make a great, constructive, debate some day. For the record: The purpose of this post is to put some facts and data out there for discussion or to ignore. It does not reflect my personal opinion of the situation, nor is it meant as an afront to anyone. For the record, most important: A huge thank you to those who gave their time to clean up the CBD on Sunday! You have my (and a lot of others!) respect and admiration. |
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GlenEllynite |
I have brought this up in the past...so of course, I agree with you. I believe there has been a Hase-effect that has transformed this village from one that seldom pays attention to GE's political goings-on to just the opposite. One good thing about seating someone who never should have had here name brought up for any office (accept with a snicker ) is that the incompetence has awoken a sleeping giant. IMO, those voices will be heard in April. |
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GlenEllynite |
"here...accept...awoken" Impressive, oh grammar-guru! |
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GlenEllynite |
Like I said before, the village has taken the position that the residents are here for their benefit. The village has the resources to "get things done" at a wholesale level. Their ordinance is unconstitutional (i.e. requiring others to maintain another property by proclamation of an ordinance? Sounds like slavery to me) The village has exclusive control of the public thoroughfares they require permits to place tables, chairs, awnings , signs ect. yet they require others to be responsible for its care and upkeep.? What would be a business owners incentive to obey this "ordinance" when laws relative to smoking, littering and loitering are not enforced? BTW I just paid my property tax. . . do I get some of this cash for my pension too, or am I required to work for free? I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me. Ayn Rand Anthem |
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GlenEllynite |
Just look at the cleanup from yesterday. Looked great! Took plenty of person power.
Now look today! Same Sh*# different day. Cleaning this is a full time gig. If I had a store, I would sweep in front of my place, I'd also hit those who were littering with my broom if I caught them. I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me. Ayn Rand Anthem |
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GlenEllynite |
I just wish the cops would ticket smokers for throwing their butts on the ground. Sixty percent of what Bitterboy and I picked up were butts.
Not that Amy would notice.  And I don't think you fine them, I'm thinking community service where they need to pick-up at least 500 butts per offense. Trust me this would curb this behavior. "Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains." (Winston Churchill) |
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