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Dear Members and Friends:

Tomorrow night there will be a Village Board Workshop at 7PM in Rm 301 of the Civic Center. One of the topics discussed will be the make up of the Downtown Advisory Committee, which will be part of the downtown strategic plan process.

A week ago Monday, the Village Board voted to enter into a contract with Town Builders Studio to create a downtown strategic plan for the Village of Glen Ellyn.

During the public section of that meeting, several members of the Board of Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation came out in support of completing a contract with the firm Town Builder Studio, for the purpose of an extensive study to be conducted to aid in future planning for the central business district. Although CGEP had originally supported another firm, Downtown Professionals (representing the Main Street Program sponsored by the National Trust for Historic Preservation), in respect for the extensive research work done by the selection committee, and to support the process of government in Glen Ellyn, we felt that it was in the best interest of our Village to move forward. Up until a few weeks ago, we had decided to remain neutral; however, the contentious and divisive atmosphere that had grown throughout the long selection process made us feel that support of the democratic process would be in the best interest of everyone concerned.

However, before we took this step we wanted to be assured that the firm that had been voted on last month, Town Builder Studios, warranted our support. Members of Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation had attended every workshop, presentation and meeting, many of which lasted late into the evenings, and so were familiar with the project from start to finish. To gain even more background, over the last two weeks, we interviewed individuals on both sides of the issue, contacted the architectural firm that was to take part in the study and spoke with officials in four different Villages who had worked with Jim Louthen, principal owner of Town Builder Studios. To back up their verbal recommendations with written documents, we asked that each official answer a brief survey.

Issues that were particularly important to us were whether or not Town Builder Studio (or URS, Mr Louthen’s previous firm) was reliable, completed the work in a timely fashion, was within budget and collected and then made use of input from a wide range of business owners, citizens and local organizations.

Additionally, we interviewed Ed Torrez of BauerLatoza Studios, the architectural firm that would do an historic survey of the downtown, to confirm Mr. Louthen’s sensitivity to the large collection of older buildings that line Main Street and the adjacent cross streets in our village. The architectural framework of the central business district will be a vital component of the final plan.

Protection of both public and commercial historic buildings within the center of town is a fundamental part of the mission of our organization. This is best served knowing that the team involved in a plan for revitalization respects the unique character of our town.

Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation is encouraged and excited that the next steps will be positive, as the residents, business owners, village officials and staff, and local organizations join with Town Builder Studios to create the strategic plan for our downtown.


I won't comment on the confusing, misleading comments in this message. I will however ask why in the hell is the Historical Preservation Commission having a hearing on the potential for designating the triangle of land that houses the trough in the face of a long-term downtown plan? Are they trying to take certain streets "out of play" for the consultant that CGEP is supposedly supporting?

Oh, on the topic of support...CGEP indicates that they are supporting TBS but that they weren't going to support anyone....that is, after they initially supported Downtown Builders.

I wonder, did the CGEP ever poll their members on who they supported? Whether they should support anyone? Or was this just a decision made by the top brass?

What a joke...

One question that I would like answered: Are the members of the CGEP and Historical Preservation Commission mutually exclusive or are they pretty much the same people?


"If you were the Governor of any other state, you would be a disgrace to that state."
 
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I had not heard from them with regard to support or non-support of any one firm. Admittedly, I have not sent them a check in a year or two, but I am still on their e-mail list and I have done some volunteer work for them once or twice in the past. Perhaps they held a special meeting and asked members personally, but I had not been informed of such a meeting or topic.

Again, I admire the whole concept of keeping what we have to a certain extent, but let's be frank...a village that bear hugs its past with little regard to the future galvanizes its destiny. And again, I have had passionate conversations with one of its members with regard to this. He and I do no see eye to eye on a lot of things, but I still find him to be a fascinating and extraordinarily passionate man on the subject...not to mention a nice man. But I am very displeased with the comments that Ms. Wilson, and now apparently the Citizens for Preservation group en masse, made towards Trustee Ladesic at last Monday's meeting. The jabs at Trustee Ladesic were not very well hidden, IMO. I get it...he's a builder. I get it...you don't like builders. That's completely understood. But here is a question...have any of you seen a man work for the better of the village as much as Pete Ladesic? I know in my 14 years here that I have not. Understood that many do not like his tactics, but he is just as passionate if not more so about the turnaround and success of this crumbling village than anyone that I have ever spoken to or met.


"If the cap fits, wear it."
 
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GlenEllynite
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Clamato:
Again, I admire the whole concept of keeping what we have to a certain extent, but let's be frank...a village that bear hugs its past with little regard to the future galvanizes its destiny.QUOTE]

I have to agree..( I know you love when people start their posts with this).

This group joins a long list of civic minded organizations that are, at their very core, non-partisan that have joined the battle on one side for the betterment of the community. (read PTA, LOWV..etc.)

Although I agree with most of the tenents the Historic Preservation Society espouses, to be so unequivocally close minded to the over-all picture and health of the community baffles me.

We know what doesn't work, both in local government and the CBD. Why wouldn't it be time to try something new. New and younger is not always bad.

Thanks again to Pete and other like minded citizens for their ability to see things in a different and refreshing way.
 
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It does seem like they have tried to strong arm much of the businesses up by 5 corners that they would like to purchase to acquire the land. They have really pushed 5 corners cleaners to sell.

5 corners cleaners is good for Glen Ellyn. They are a quality run enterprise, family owned for many years. They are extremely environmentally friendly. I know they have no intentions of moving.

The posted letter seems very rambling to me, and didn't seem to make much sense.
 
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It does seem like they have tried to strong arm much of the businesses up by 5 corners that they would like to purchase to acquire the land. They have really pushed 5 corners cleaners to sell.

5 corners cleaners is good for Glen Ellyn. They are a quality run enterprise, family owned for many years. They are extremely environmentally friendly. I know they have no intentions of moving.

The posted letter seems very rambling to me, and didn't seem to make much sense.


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5 corners cleaners is good for Glen Ellyn. They are a quality run enterprise, family owned for many years. They are extremely environmentally friendly. I know they have no intentions of moving.

I got the same impression and it mad me angry. I now use 5 Corners as my cleaner because of it. And wow am I glad I changed! Great people!!! nice and helpful every visit!!
 
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It does seem like they have tried to strong arm much of the businesses up by 5 corners that they would like to purchase to acquire the land. They have really pushed 5 corners cleaners to sell.



Floyd, CGEP has nothing to do with acquiring the businesses at 5 corners. That is the GE Historical Society. They are an entirely different group than the Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation, which is a different group than the Historical Preservation Commission which is a village government commission. 3 groups with 3 different outlooks.
 
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GlenEllynite
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Originally posted by JL Gotrocks:
3 groups with 3 different outlooks.


Ah, someone who knows what they are talking about!!! Thanks!

What are the differences?
Are there different members?
Are the philosophies different?
If so, how?

Please help in trying to diminish my ever present ignorance.


"If you were the Governor of any other state, you would be a disgrace to that state."
 
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The GE Historical Society has long had leadership from Doug and Mary Anne Ward via one leadership role or another. They are wonderful people who are absolutely dedicated to preserving the history of Stacy's Tavern and the surrounding area. On that note, I've used 5-corner cleaners and they are good people. It would be nice if the two groups could work out some kind of win-win proposition.

Glen Ellyn Preservation is lead by a whole different set of people (I know Marilyn Wiedeman-not sure if I spelled it correctly) and their interests focus, primarily, on preserving historical structures. This includes structures that may simply be good representation of a specific period of architecture, even if I many not find that period to be particularly aesthetically pleasing.

I don't know if there are any people involved with both groups but as far as I know, the leadership of the two groups are distinctly different people.

I understand where the Preservation group is coming from but I agree that they seem to have muddled a little more than they should have.

As for Pete Ladesic being a builder, I was worried about that too. But, he's a good man with a long history in this town and from what I have seen, the homes he has built are beautiful. The implication that builder="loss of history" is simply wrong.


"The most valuable things in life are not measured in monetary terms. The really important things are not houses and lands, stocks and bonds, automobiles and real state, but friendships, trust, confidence, empathy, mercy, love and faith. " -Bertrand Russell V. Delong
 
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Originally posted by Floyd:
It does seem like they have tried to strong arm much of the businesses up by 5 corners that they would like to purchase to acquire the land. They have really pushed 5 corners cleaners to sell.



Floyd, CGEP has nothing to do with acquiring the businesses at 5 corners. That is the GE Historical Society. They are an entirely different group than the Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation, which is a different group than the Historical Preservation Commission which is a village government commission. 3 groups with 3 different outlooks.



JL,

Thanks for correcting me, I really sc#$*ed that one up. I still agree with Fan's original comment about the posted letter. But I was incorrect in implying that the same group had any involvement with the land acquisitions up by Stacy's Tavern. I knew this, I just confused myself.

I am surprised you didn't bust my chops a little bit harder, I had it coming on this one.
 
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Originally posted by GE Fan:
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Originally posted by JL Gotrocks:
3 groups with 3 different outlooks.


Ah, someone who knows what they are talking about!!! Thanks!

What are the differences?
Are there different members?
Are the philosophies different?
If so, how?

Please help in trying to diminish my ever present ignorance.


Info from each groups website:


Village of Glen Ellyn Historical Preservation Commission

To encourage the rehabilitation and utilization of structures, places and works of art having a special historical, architectural or aesthetic value or interest to the community.

To identify those buildings and such worthy of designation as official Glen Ellyn landmarks, to hold hearings and to recommend that the Village Board effect those designations by ordinance.

To aid in the continuing preservation of Stacy’s Tavern Museum.



Citizens for Glen Ellyn Preservation

The mission of the CGEP is to safeguard the distinctive character, history and architectural integrity of the Glen Ellyn community through historic preservation, planning and sensible growth.



Glen Ellyn Historical Society

The operation and support of Stacy's Tavern Museum (in partnership with the Village of Glen Ellyn), a wayside stage inn built in 1846. The Tavern has been restored on its original site. Exhibits and additions to the artifact collection are ongoing.

An active house plaguing program to research the identify Village structures of historical significance. Plaques placed on the structures are an interesting addition to Glen Ellyn's living history.

Educational outreach including lectures and seminars on historical topics to a variety of audiences, school programs, an artifact and library collection, and participation in village activities.



I would say that there are members that belong to one two or all three of the groups as they all are interested in preserving the history of Glen Ellyn in one way or another.
 
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GlenEllynite
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Thanks Gotrocks. (BTW - Love the name for some reason)

How is the Commission any different than the Citizen's brigade other than the fact that the Commission is actually a board? Why two groups?


"If you were the Governor of any other state, you would be a disgrace to that state."
 
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Originally posted by JL Gotrocks:

Info from each groups website:

Glen Ellyn Historical Society

The operation and support of Stacy's Tavern Museum (in partnership with the Village of Glen Ellyn), a wayside stage inn built in 1846. The Tavern has been restored on its original site. Exhibits and additions to the artifact collection are ongoing.

An active house plaguing program to research the identify Village structures of historical significance. Plaques placed on the structures are an interesting addition to Glen Ellyn's living history.

Educational outreach including lectures and seminars on historical topics to a variety of audiences, school programs, an artifact and library collection, and participation in village activities.

I would say that there are members that belong to one two or all three of the groups as they all are interested in preserving the history of Glen Ellyn in one way or another.




LOL! As some of you may know, I'm a big fan of property owner's rights and not a big fan of those that try to interfere with those rights. I gotta say JL, I couldn't have described it better than you did.

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I lay awake at night wondering if there is a dog.
 
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I'm a big fan of property owner's rights and not a big fan of those that try to interfere with those rights.


Glen Ellyn Historical Society's "plaquing" program is not invasive to the property owner. In most if not all instances the property owner initiates the process. Many owners of older homes do take pride in their home's history and restoration, and want to discourage a potential teardown. GEHS does not impose strict guidelines as those being on the National Historical Registry... and as the previous poster notes, the plaque can be removed at the owner's request.
 
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the plaque can be removed at the owner's request.


Fish, wasn't there a plaque removed from a home on Prospect once? Wink
 
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"If the cap fits, wear it."
 
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the plaque can be removed at the owner's request.


Fish, wasn't there a plaque removed from a home on Prospect once? Wink


IIRC, it took threats from a Wheaton attorney directed toward our board before it was removed. FWIW, this "historical" house was aluminum sided.


I am a dyslexic agnostic insomniac.
I lay awake at night wondering if there is a dog.
 
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I'ma little fuzzy on what happened here. Am I to understand that the OWNER wanted to remove the plaque, but could not until an attorney got involved?

Or

Did the GEHS folks want the plaque removed and engaged an attorney to make it happen?


Carpe Diem
 
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The owners requested the removal of the plaque. The wrinkle was that the owners made the request so that they could sell the home to be torn down. After discussion, the motion passed.
 
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OK, thanks for clearing that part up.

Why would an owner need to petition to remove a plaque? I can understand the part about needing approval from the village to tear a home down, but the plaque thing has me puzzled.


Carpe Diem
 
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