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GlenEllynite |
No doubt, you are wrong here Fan. An eviction doesn't need a formal notice with the sheriff or village police tossing belongings into the street. If you set up a person or group to fail to meet terms, or, offer them terms that are wildly unfavorable and untenable, then you may feel you have washed you hands of any action or have sanitized the outcome to the point where it can't be called an "eviction" legally, but in reality, if that is what is happening, then don't dance around, call it what it is. And if you don't have the facts, find them out. It may save you some embarrassment (though you may have to get a new slogan for your posting signature). |
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GlenEllynite |
I don't know Clam, I don't know you, but I hope you aren't in the public safety business! If you have ever been in an accident, or, have witnessed an accident and were the one to call for help and attend to the involved parties, you would appreciate a strong and quick response. Let the overkill issue sort itself out after the assessment by law enforcement professionals are made. I would rather make sure everyone was OK and the report and mess promptly cleared up, than worry about the GEPD performing for everyone. Your statement shows a lack of concern for the victims here and a lack of understanding for the role of our public safety officials. Again, for so many people calling for facts, it seems like many, including those making cracks about others not being "factual" are being pretty reckless with the conclusions and the commentary themselves. Maybe I just don't understand the internet and the public bulleting board norms, maybe it is pretty loosey goosey with the facts and there is nothing to get upset about. But then, folks should stop criticizing certain people for their lack of focus on facts, while going off themselves in the same direction. |
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GlenEllynite |
See above.
And I do think you know me, BTW. My cracks are just that, cracks. Again...it's no longer your problem so you should be celebrating. Not fighting on an internet BB. This is a place for fun and factual information. So...we should all get back to just that. |
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GlenEllynite |
Sweet indeed! If only all 2 to 5 year olds actually walked to school (or that even a decent percentage of them did, or, that you could guarantee the attendees of school into the future would). The line of strollers and little bikes with training wheels would not be very intrusive on the neighborhood! But that is not reality in this on-the-go, SUV-driven world. Even if the weather were nice, that would be a stretch to see a large population walking to the school. Schools like Franklin and Lincoln and St. Pet's and Glenbard West have a school population that is of age to be able to walk or ride bikes. And that cuts down A LOT already on the amount of traffic (yes, it may not seem like, especially if you live near one of these schools, but it does help). Schools in neighborhoods work for groups like these but these schools serve a different demographic. |
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GlenEllynite |
Here are the facts as I know them. (And I do know them) 1. The owner of the current church is in Iowa. 2. The current church pays rent to the owner in Iowa. 3. The numbers for the congregation (please read synonomously with "current church") are down. 4. The current church hasn't been paying all of its rent. 5. The owner of the current church, due to the fact that it is not getting paid, put the property up for sale. 6. The montessori put an offer in to purchase with the understanding to the owner that it would be used as a montessori. 7. The offer was contingent on the montessori having a pre-application with the Village to gauge the feelings on granting a special use permit. 8. The montessori had a pre-application with the plan commission. 9. The montessori appears to be moving forward with the purchase. Now who has been evicted? And by who? Wouldn't it be ironic if the neighbors defeated this sale...only for a thriving 7-days a week worshiping congregation to come in and really snarl up traffic. And to think...that situation would not require special uses of any kind. I don't really have a dog in this fight...but somehow the saying "be careful what you wish for" keeps smacking me in the face. "Often Wrong, Never in Doubt" |
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GlenEllynite |
Maybe I just don't understand the internet and the public bulleting board norms, [/QUOTE]
That's public "bulletin" board, not "bulleting". I didn't mean to imply any information presentation formats or police shooting range targets here. Its just my poor typing skills. And that's a FACT. And its somewhat fun/funny. So I'm working on it Clam. |
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GlenEllynite |
They impeded (ever so slightly, but still impeded) my route over to Park St. to watch a group of homeowners make complete and utter asses out of themselves. |
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GlenEllynite |
Well then let's propose an ordinance outlawing all teenage girls from driving purple cars in town! I could live with that. None of them have ever bothered me, or, seem to be encroaching in on my neighborhood or home, but if it makes your life better I can support that.  Seriously though, I have to ask, is your statement about the homeowners presenting factual information or is it just fanning the passionate flames of danger? (as per Clam's point in an earlier post) |
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GlenEllynite |
Here are the facts as I know them. (And I do know them)
1. The owner of the current church is in Iowa. 2. The current church pays rent to the owner in Iowa. 3. The numbers for the congregation (please read synonomously with "current church") are down. 4. The current church hasn't been paying all of its rent. 5. The owner of the current church, due to the fact that it is not getting paid, put the property up for sale. 6. The montessori put an offer in to purchase with the understanding to the owner that it would be used as a montessori. 7. The offer was contingent on the montessori having a pre-application with the Village to gauge the feelings on granting a special use permit. 8. The montessori had a pre-application with the plan commission. 9. The montessori appears to be moving forward with the purchase. Now who has been evicted? And by who? Wouldn't it be ironic if the neighbors defeated this sale...only for a thriving 7-days a week worshiping congregation to come in and really snarl up traffic. And to think...that situation would not require special uses of any kind. I don't really have a dog in this fight...but somehow the saying "be careful what you wish for" keeps smacking me in the face.[/QUOTE] Fan, I LOVE irony, and that would be pretty funny. You should think about bringing your dog in though, there's lots of nice green space around that site, I bet a dog could find some joy there as well as some great facilities. Better check your facts 1 through 9 though (isn't 7 kind of odd, maybe not, but at the very least I wonder what their feelings gauge read after that night?) because 2, 3, 4, 5, and 9 seem wrong. 9 for sure - the school said the purchase is going forward soon but it did not say an application for a montessori school was happening soon. So who is buying it? The school or someone invidually and they will hold it, but apply for the school special use permit? There seems to be a lot of murkiness and ambiguity, so if you do know, maybe you can shed some light on it all? Are you wrong about this or just not in doubt? |
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GlenEllynite |
Facts "are" or "are not"..they don't "seem". I thought you knew all the facts? That being said, I'm generally correct. Some insignificant details may be a little off but the big points are all there. They may seem incorrect but they're not. And you asked if the montessori filed anything with the village? Not as far as I know. However, as I'm sure you know, the families surrounding the proposed montessori hired a very talented lawyer, Steve Ruffalo. So I imagine they'll be fully informed when/if anything is filed. Regarding which entity/individual signed a contract to purchase the lot, I'm not sure as I've never seen the contract. Sorry I can't be of any help there. If for nothing else, this should make for some awesome bb reading during the next several months/year. "Often Wrong, Never in Doubt" |
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GlenEllynite |
Clam, I admire your ability to use the red highlights inserted in the message you are commenting on to provide better clarity. I aspire to your level of factual and fun bulletin boarding some day!  For now, I'm not even going to try your advanced methods out of concern that I would make an even more unintelligible mess out of my posted text. So let me reply here. I think there were a couple things I did not make clear to you earlier and I apologize. I am also glad to hear you were belted while running your errands. I hear there are some dangerous teenage girls driving around recklessly in purple cars. Hope you stay belted (or in your own home at least having a couple of good belts with that Absolut!) while you're out there and you don't suffer from color-blindness to purple. First off - I am with YOU! Traffic sucks! Everywhere. And this is not something I take any glee or pleasure in. And YOU have it the worst! You must have had SOME good reason to move there, or were you just young and naive? Either way, its ok, and you deserve all the sympathy you can raise. I have set foot on your dead end street and totally respect those signs because I already sympathize so much for you and before I even knew that was you down there. Next, Hillside and Main is apples and oranges when it comes to the environment. Has been for a long time. Not to say that is bad, it is a great block and neighborhood and everyone chooses what they like and that's cool. There are folks in Chicago that would think Main and Hillside is absolutely snoozeville, but it is all relative and all personal. But to compare the two in terms of building types, street configurations, traffic flows, quietness, and the specific infrastructure at St. Mark's itself - it is apples and oranges. And, tongue in cheek? I don't or didn't know you that well and wouldn't assume, but I understand now. And in closing - let me try this copy and pasting this posting from you about these two questions here - Instead of attacking (I don't believe I have ever attacked anyone. Not my thing.) , many of the concerns were raised as questions, asking for more information. Has any response to those questions been presented? (By whom...the village...or me?) So Clam, in response to your questions - 1st: I never meant you attacked anyone or anything...that referred to the opposition to the school at the pre-app hearing. There were far more questions raised and distinctions drawn about the sites than attacking by those opposing the project. People were taken aback by the lack of communication and homework that had been displayed on this by the school, and had a lot of questions to ask and concerns to raise, but they did not attack. And you neither! 2nd: The response is not expected from YOU to those questions about the project. And I don't really think from the village either (except for how to explain the whole trustee involvement thing and how that got that far). The people proposing the project should be the ones presenting a response to the questions presented. I hope this answers your questions on these points. And, no glee in anyone else having problems, traffic or otherwise! And, I would rather see the win/win than just a win. |
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GlenEllynite |
Uh ok no, I stand corrected and no, no intent to twist facts. Man I'm going to have to explain to my kid the difference between serious and just a fender bender - must have been the 2 squad cars. My apologies and I concede the point. |
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GlenEllynite |
Is it your kid or your grandkid? You sound like you could be one of those NIMBY hysterical, alarmist old fogies keeping/dragging the village down. Tell your kid or grandkid that traffic is good for business and sign him/her up for some agility training classes at the Park District (along with the Safety Village of course!). |
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GlenEllynite |
Hi,
Wow, things are really getting heated here. While we don't live anywhere near the area that would be affected by the Montessori school, I can certainly see why the neighbors would be upset. There is a big difference between additional traffic on Sunday mornings (for the church crowd) and the daily traffic that would increase if a school went into that property. Guess I should add, we love Montessori schools and think the idea of a pre-school in town is good. That said, I'd be pretty pissed if I bought a house on a street thinking there was a church there (Sunday traffic) only to find that now it will be a full-time school (Mon-Fri). There's a big difference. Want proof? Tomorrow at 3:00pm, drive down Bryant Ave. and see all the cars parked outside Ben Franklin, waiting in line for the kiddies. No - 3PM is not a typo. They are waiting outside that early! Sometimes when I pick up my kids I look around at the neighbors who live on that street and I feel sort of bad. Like when they can't pull into their own driveway because someone is blocking it while they wait for their kid. All I'm saying is that this school does come with a certain amount of inconvenience attached. It will affect the neighbors. They do have a right to protest, put up signs, whatever, in an effort to make it clear they do not want the school there. I'm not sure where some of the hostility is coming from, particularly when it comes from people who don't live anywhere near that neighborhood. |
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GlenEllynite |
Your kids better not try this in MY town. I'll run out to FASTSIGNS to make some banners and yardsigns and build one of them new fangled webby sites on the internets. One time, I saw this crazy old guy carrying one of those "Preserve Glen Ellyn" yard signs (or what it a "Going out of business" sign), and they nearly, almost, barely missed causing a VERY, VERY serious bike accident on Duane and Main. Then, they evicted about 15 business out of the CBD. It was really crazy. And sad at the same time. |
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GlenEllynite |
I really don't know where I stand on this one. Again, I don't have a dog in this fight. However, I am turned off by the extreme posts filled with exaggerations. Can a 80 children Montessori (with staggered days and times) really be compared to Ben Franklin? Is that comparison fair to the discussion? And of course the neighbors have a right to protest. I for one am blown away by their passion and organization. It's good see. "Often Wrong, Never in Doubt" |
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