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Soon, the streets of Glen Ellyn will look like this:



Red. The blood of angry men!


I look forward to joining the “vociferous little minority” , but do I have to wear an ascot? I look really bad in ascots…



 
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How that TBS dude didn't decline to pursue this contract after that meeting is beyond me. I thought he started out strongly after having to sit through the really cool fight at the front table, but he whithered after his presentation which was less than stellar, in my uneducated opinion. The questioning didn't help his cause, either.


I thought the same thing because he got grilled good. I have to wonder what do you get for $100,000?


"Deck the halls..."
 
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Truth be told, I'm dying to get my Le Mis costume out of mothballs.

Get your petticoat out of storage, Clam, and join the troops!
 
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Hi,

Another question. I got an email encouraging us to attend the next village meeting, and to ask questions. At this point, I am not sure if there is anything more to ask. I guess we could just voice our disappointment with the entire process, but is anybody (other than the 'vociferous little minority') going to listen?

Other than asking questions of those leaders who obviously don't care, what else can we do? Has anyone considered a petition? (Just an idea.)
 
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Another question. I got an email encouraging us to attend the next village meeting, and to ask questions. At this point, I am not sure if there is anything more to ask. I guess we could just voice our disappointment with the entire process, but is anybody (other than the 'vociferous little minority') going to listen?

Other than asking questions of those leaders who obviously don't care, what else can we do? Has anyone considered a petition? (Just an idea.)


As Mrs. President Hase said, "we already have 4 votes." Which is the main reason why I didn't stick around for the public participation phase. After what was said by Mrs. Hase and Mr. Norton, the English bloke, not the cool cop...my feelings were sufficiently injured that I had to depart. That and the overseas markets had tanked and I needed to get into work super early so that I could maintain my Coveted Lake Ellyn Area lifestyle.

So, no...showing up Monday will not change a thing, IMO. But, the more people there, the merrier. Perhaps in the future there won't be any more back room deals being cut (I have been wondering if Mrs. Hase offered to stitch a quilt for Trustee Thorsell if she change her mind and supported TBS Eek ).

I'd also like to point out that the crowd, IMO, was exceptionally well-behaved. So if any of those ***-pilots are telling their friends how disruptive we were, they can kiss my fat white can. On two occasions the crowd reacted to something, IIRC. Once when Trustee Ladesic said something, once when Trustee Thorsell weakly attempted to convey that she never said she supported HL. Trustee Ladesic's comments were applauded, Trustee Thorsell's unconvincing comments were snickered at by the crowd, jumped on by her fellow elected officials. All-in-all, good, clean fun.

Contrary to what Mr. Abstain has to say, we are what is right with this town.
 
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Hi,

Another question. I got an email encouraging us to attend the next village meeting, and to ask questions. At this point, I am not sure if there is anything more to ask. I guess we could just voice our disappointment with the entire process, but is anybody (other than the 'vociferous little minority') going to listen?

Other than asking questions of those leaders who obviously don't care, what else can we do? Has anyone considered a petition? (Just an idea.)


Is everyone plannng on going on Monday night, even though it won't likely cause any change? At least it's on TV, and I think there are actually a fair number of people who watch it, even if they only stumble upon it. Gives a chance for the vociferous little minority that goes to the meeting and be heard.... Maybe make a public request for an apology from Trustee Norton....
 
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I think the entire village should attend.
 
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"I say old chap, these residents actually wanted to comment, so I called these hooligans a "Vociferous Little Minority"! I mean how dare they challenge our selection of consultants."

Commander McBragg-"Bully, that's showing them old man"


HIGHlarious, Yoss... Big Grin


I hate to nitpick, but the (awesome) McBragg shorts always ended with some sort of play on words and McBragg saying "Quite". Might I suggest a rewrite, Yoss. Along the lines of

[McBragg] [Spins globe] "Ah-hah, Glen Ellyn! I say old chap, have you ever heard my story about the Town Builders fracass?"

[Club Member] "Why, no, I haven't" [attempts to get away] "But I really must be-"

[McBragg] "So there I was, facing an angry band of natives, intent on challenging our knowledgeable selection. They were suggesting impropriety in the selection process, they had crazy ideas of selecting the better of two proposals. It was terrible. So I gave them a steely gaze down my nose, waved my strong hand, and declared them a Vociferous Little Minority!"

[Club Member] "You might say you squelched their Houseal squeal."

[McBragg]; "Quite."
 
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LOL....87, you're killing me.
 
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middlein87-I love it, I'll consider it a relaunch, like the Batman movies.


"Deck the halls..."
 
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Other than asking questions of those leaders who obviously don't care, what else can we do? Has anyone considered a petition? (Just an idea.)


Is everyone plannng on going on Monday night, even though it won't likely cause any change? At least it's on TV, and I think there are actually a fair number of people who watch it, even if they only stumble upon it. Gives a chance for the vociferous little minority that goes to the meeting and be heard.... Maybe make a public request for an apology from Trustee Norton....


Of course we should attend for if we don't it will look as if we have given up. Let's face it folks they are just trying to intimidate us! Don't forget we have already proven ourselves to be a group that gets what we want. Look at our own Candidate who is doing a marvelous job at representing us, and them for that matter. We elected our choices for the school board and certainly made a significant voice in the defeat of the referendum. Don't ever think that we don't make a difference because we do. This is not the time to stop being a revolutionary!


“Think left and think right and think low and think high. Oh, the thinks you can think up if only you try!”—Dr. Seuss
 
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LOCAL GOVERNMENT
(50 ILCS 510/) Local Government Professional Services Selection Act.

(50 ILCS 510/0.01) (from Ch. 85, par. 6400)
Sec. 0.01. Short title. This Act may be cited as the Local Government Professional Services Selection Act.
(Source: P.A. 86‑1324.)

(50 ILCS 510/1) (from Ch. 85, par. 6401)
Sec. 1. Policy. It shall be the policy of the political subdivisions of the State of Illinois to negotiate and enter into contracts for architectural, engineering and land surveying services on the basis of demonstrated competence and qualifications for the type of services required and at fair and reasonable compensation.
(Source: P.A. 85‑854.)

(50 ILCS 510/2) (from Ch. 85, par. 6402)
Sec. 2. Federal Requirements. In the procurement of architectural, engineering and land surveying services and in the awarding of contracts, a political subdivision of the State of Illinois may comply with federal law and regulations and take all necessary steps to adapt its rules, specifications, policies and procedures accordingly to remain eligible for federal aid.
(Source: P.A. 85‑854.)

(50 ILCS 510/3) (from Ch. 85, par. 6403)
Sec. 3. Definitions. As used in this Act unless the context specifically requires otherwise:
(1) "Firm" means any individual, firm, partnership, corporation, association or other legal entity permitted by law to practice the profession of architecture, engineering or land surveying and provide architectural, engineering or land surveying services.
(2) "Architectural services" means any professional service as defined in Section 5 of the Illinois Architecture Practice Act of 1989.
(3) "Engineering services" means any professional service as defined in Section 4 of the Professional Engineering Practice Act of 1989 or Section 5 of the Structural Engineering Practice Act of 1989.
(4) "Land surveying services" means any professional service as defined in Section 5 of the Illinois Professional Land Surveyor Act of 1989.
(5) "Political subdivision" means any school district and any unit of local government of fewer than 3,000,000 inhabitants, except home rule units.
(6) "Project" means any capital improvement project or any study, plan, survey or new or existing program activity of a political subdivision, including development of new or existing programs which require architectural, engineering or land surveying services.
(Source: P.A. 91‑91, eff. 1‑1‑00.)

(50 ILCS 510/4) (from Ch. 85, par. 6404)
Sec. 4. Public notice. Present provisions of law notwithstanding, in the procurement of architectural, engineering or land surveying services, each political subdivision which utilizes architectural, engineering or land surveying services shall permit firms engaged in the lawful practice of their professions to annually file a statement of qualifications and performance data with the political subdivision. Whenever a project requiring architectural, engineering or land surveying services is proposed for a political subdivision, the political subdivision shall, unless it has a satisfactory relationship for services with one or more firms:
(1) Mail a notice requesting a statement of interest in the specific project to all firms who have a current statement of qualifications and performance data on file with the political subdivision; or
(2) Place an advertisement in a secular English language daily newspaper of general circulation throughout such political subdivision, requesting a statement of interest in the specific project and further requesting statements of qualifications and performance data from those firms which do not have such a statement on file with the political subdivision. Such advertisement shall state the day, hour and place the statement of interest and the statements of qualifications and performance data shall be due.
(Source: P.A. 85‑854.)

(50 ILCS 510/5) (from Ch. 85, par. 6405)
Sec. 5. Evaluation Procedure. A political subdivision shall, unless it has a satisfactory relationship for services with one or more firms, evaluate the firms submitting letters of interest, taking into account qualifications, ability of professional personnel, past record and experience, performance data on file, willingness to meet time requirements, location, workload of the firm, and such other qualifications‑based factors as the political subdivision may determine in writing are applicable. The political subdivision may conduct discussions with and require public presentations by firms deemed to be the most qualified regarding their qualifications, approach to the project, and ability to furnish the required services. In no case shall a political subdivision, prior to selecting a firm for negotiation under Section 7, seek formal or informal submission of verbal or written estimates of costs or proposals in terms of dollars, hours required, percentage of construction cost, or any other measure of compensation.
(Source: P.A. 94‑1097, eff. 2‑2‑07.)

(50 ILCS 510/6) (from Ch. 85, par. 6406)
Sec. 6. Selection procedure. On the basis of evaluations, discussions and presentations, the political subdivision shall, unless it has a satisfactory relationship for services with one or more firms, select no less than 3 firms which it determines to be the most qualified to provide services for the project and rank them in order of qualifications to provide services regarding the specific project. The political subdivision shall then contact the firm ranked most preferred and attempt to negotiate a contract at a fair and reasonable compensation, taking into account the estimated value, scope, complexity, and professional nature of the services to be rendered. If fewer than 3 firms submit letters of interest and the political subdivision determines that one or both of those firms are so qualified, the political subdivision may proceed to negotiate a contract pursuant to this Section and Section 7.
(Source: P.A. 85‑854.)

(50 ILCS 510/7) (from Ch. 85, par. 6407)
Sec. 7. Contract negotiation. (1) The political subdivision shall prepare a written description of the scope of the proposed services to be used as a basis for negotiations and shall negotiate a contract with the highest qualified firm at compensation that the political subdivision determines in writing to be fair and reasonable. In making this decision the political subdivision shall take into account the estimated value, scope, complexity and professional nature of the services to be rendered.
(2) If the political subdivision is unable to negotiate a satisfactory contract with the firm which is most preferred, negotiations with that firm shall be terminated. The political subdivision shall then begin negotiations with the firm which is next preferred. If the political subdivision is unable to negotiate a satisfactory contract with that firm, negotiations with that firm shall be terminated. The political subdivision shall then begin negotiations with the firm which is next preferred.
(3) If the political subdivision is unable to negotiate a satisfactory contract with any of the selected firms, the political subdivision shall re‑evaluate the architectural, engineering or land surveying services requested, including the estimated value, scope, complexity and fee requirements. The political subdivision shall then compile a second list of not less than three qualified firms and proceed in accordance with the provisions of this Act.
(Source: P.A. 85‑854.)

(50 ILCS 510/8) (from Ch. 85, par. 6408)
Sec. 8. Waiver of competition. A political subdivision may waive the requirements of Sections 4, 5, and 6 if it determines, by resolution, that an emergency situation exists and a firm must be selected in an expeditious manner, or the cost of architectural, engineering, and land surveying services for the project is expected to be less than $25,000.
(Source: P.A. 87‑1034.)


In case anyone is interested. Not totally applicable but interesting nonetheless.


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Do you have a Readers Digest version? Wink


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In municipalities of less than 500,000 except as otherwise provided in Articles 4 and 5 any work or other public improvement which is not to be paid for in whole or in part by special assessment or special taxation, when the expense thereof will exceed $20,000, shall be constructed either (1) by a contract let to the lowest responsible bidder after advertising for bids, in the manner prescribed by ordinance, except that any such contract may be entered into by the proper officers without advertising for bids, if authorized by a vote of two-thirds of all the aldermen or trustees then holding office; or (2) in the following manner, if authorized by a vote of two-thirds of all the aldermen or trustees then holding office, to-wit: the commissioner of public works or other proper officers to be designated by ordinance, shall superintend and cause to be carried out the construction of the work or other public improvement and shall employ exclusively for the performance of all manual labor thereon, laborers and artisans whom the municipality shall pay by the day or hour; and all material of the value of $20,000 and upward used in the construction of the work or other public improvement, shall be purchased by contract let to the lowest responsible bidder in the manner to be prescribed by ordinance. However, nothing contained in this section shall apply to any contract by a city, village or incorporated town with the federal government or any agency thereof.

In every city which has adopted Division 1 of Article 10, every such laborer or artisan shall be certified by the civil service commission to the commissioner of public works or other proper officers, in accordance with the requirement of that division.

In municipalities of 500,000 or more population the letting of contracts for work or other public improvements of the character described in this section shall be governed by the provisions of Division 10 of this Article 8.


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Section 1-10-1 of Chapter 10 of the Village Code provides:

“All purchase orders or contracts for labor, services, or work or the purchase of personal property, materials, equipment or supplies involving amounts in excess of $2,500 made by or on behalf of the Village of GLEN ELLYN, shall be let by competitive bidding after advertisement to the lowest bidder. Contracts which by their nature are not adapted to award by competitive bidding, as for professional services or utility services are excluded.”

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Not totally applicable but interesting nonetheless.


I don't think that word means what you think it means...
 
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OMG that was hysterical Middle87!!!! IMO the funniest thing I've seen on here in a while. Second only to Clamato's "island of misfit toys" comment from the D41 thread last year.
 
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Not totally applicable but interesting nonetheless.


I don't think that word means what you think it means...


???


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Don't ever tell Dinsdale that you have "a funny story" or an "interesting story." He rarely finds them to be funny or interesting. At least mine aren't. Frown
 
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My question is this; if there was a so-called "vociferous LITTLE minority" at the meeting, does this mean there is a MINORITY out there somewhere who hold a different opinion about the choice of Town Builders? Was there a larger group of people who showed up that night to support the decision to hire them? If not, I am having a hard time understanding why any Trustee would assume this group was a little minority. Can someone fill me in?


Your first error is assuming Trustee Norton is using logic...
 
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