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GlenEllynite
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can you say pu pu on this site?
 
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GlenEllynite
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I accidentally found out you can say the F word on this site. Had to scramble back to edit it out.


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I think when the Village gets f^&*ed Ted takes off the filters.
 
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GlenEllynite
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If this goes through we will all be on the bad end of that deal.
 
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if? is there a likelihood it won't?
 
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GlenEllynite
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A very small one. How does that quote go "never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens .....
on second thought your are probably right. That would take listening to them.
 
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Candidate, please help us understand when you get a chance...

In your opinion, as you heard all the presentations, will Town offer ANY useful advice, even if they were your last choice?
 
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It is hard to say. They, (Town Builders Studios) have never done a project like this before. Well there was Robbins.
 
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It is hard to say. They, (Town Builders Studios) have never done a project like this before. Well there was Robbins.


ROTFL. . .
 
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From Town Builders Studios Website:
The Village of Robbins has written a new vision for its community for the next 20 years. A Chicago Southland community of just over 6,300, the village has substantial land area in the floodplain, a significant number of blighted properties, and 41% of the households headed by females. Robbins hopes to increase economic growth and redevelopment in its community, one of the nation’s most disenfranchised.

The process began with a project advisory committee and a series of public workshops to discuss what’s needed for future growth. The new vision is one of aggressive optimism, which the team has determined to help make reality through the research and application of grants and other funding sources. It’s not just a plan, it’s action.
 
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what were the bid numbers? were they lowest? did you even get to bid stage? do you guys even know what you bidding out? a strategic plan only? what are you expecting to be delivered?
 
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One thing I will never understand about our village is why we refuse to seek or demand the best. IMHO, the vendors we hire and the decisions we make do not reflect a truly special community. We are tearing apart that which makes us different by continuing to lower the bar. This decision appears to be no different.
 
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I hope this is not an omen, I looked in TBS presentation binder to better answer your question and their pricing pages were installed upside down.

TBS price was estimated at $99,900. with the following caveat-
"This budget is entirely negotiable. Our goal is to match our level of effort with our partners' budgets. Reimburseable expenses are not included,and will be addressed during contract development".
While Houseal Lavigne states that "a project of this type would typically be in the range of $100,000.00 to $125,000.00", with a caveat that, "the fees for our services will be discounted in that there will not be any charge for the time incurred by Dan Gardner in conducting analysis or attending meetings". Direct expenses are not included in their numbers either.

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Oh well. Tommorow is another day. I am going to take some rhino horn and go to bed.
 
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Are the interests of those with the greatest stake in this Village's future being adequately represented?

Is it is coincidence that the votes broke down by these ages:
RHINO BUILDERS
Thorsell - 48
Hase - 60
Comerford - 60
Norton – 60+

HOUSEAL LEVIGNE
Ladesic - 46
Lee - 49 Smile
Armstong – 43

The fact of the matter is, if you look at this and some other prior decisions, if you are a resident under 50 in this village, your interests are clearly being under-represented.

If you want a modern town, you need modern leaders.

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I hope this is not an omen, I looked in TBS presentation binder to better answer your question and their pricing pages were installed upside down.

TBS price was estimated at $99,900. with the following caveat-
"This budget is entirely negotiable. Our goal is to match our level of effort with our partners' budgets. Reimburseable expenses are not included,and will be addressed during contract development".
While Houseal Lavigne states that "a project of this type would typically be in the range of $100,000.00 to $125,000.00", with a caveat that, "the fees for our services will be discounted in that there will not be any charge for the time incurred by Dan Gardner in conducting analysis or attending meetings". Direct expenses are not included in their numbers either.


thx. are these documents public? i'm really curious what we are getting for these costs. i'd like to see the research methodologies that have been proposed.

btw, an entire section of pages placed upside down in a $100K proposal binder is shoddy work and, yes, reflects the quality of the work/service to come.
 
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Are the interests of those with the greatest stake in this Village's future being adequately represented?

Is it is coincidence that the votes broke down by these ages:
RHINO BUILDERS
Thorsell - 48
Hase - 60
Comerford - 60
Norton – 60+

HAUSEL LEVIGNE
Ladesic - 46
Lee - 42
Armstong – 43

The fact of the matter is, if you look at this and some other prior decisions, if you are a resident under 50 in this village, your interests are clearly being under-represented.

If you want a modern town, you need modern leaders.


Hence the reason you need to represent us 30's Potts.


"I don't want to hog the limelight. This is Roland Burris' day." Blago
 
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To All Glen Ellyn Residents & Retailers,

The Village Board has been meeting to review and select one company to create Glen Ellyn's Downtown Long-Term Strategic Plan. The final vote was last night.

After going once around the table and getting mixed results from the Trustees, President Hase tabled the discussion and requested that the Trustees email her their first and second choices. She will then determine who has the most votes and declare a winner at the next Village Board meeting, Monday evening (12/17/07).

We strongly urge you to get involved NOW.

As Go Downtown!, it is our mission to partner with the Glen Ellyn Village, downtown businesses, and area residents to understand the wants and need of area shoppers which will support a vibrant and successful downtown district that is a destination for all residents and surrounding communities. Because of this mission, we need you to help us make POSITIVE change for Glen Ellyn, change that MOVES US FORWARD, not status quo. We need you to get involved so the RIGHT changes are made – changes we can all be happy about in Glen Ellyn!

We need to let the Village Trustees and President know that we are watching and listening during this process. The two firms that have the most votes are Houseal Lavign and Town Builder Studios. The Go Downtown! board enthusiastically endorses Houseal Lavign and has serious concerns about Town Builder Studios.

Here are our concerns:

The main concern is that Town Builder Studios put together a team that consists of the President of Town Builder Studios and 3 individuals from 3 different firms. These 4 individuals have not worked together as a team before. Two have worked together on a project, and another two have worked together on another project, but some have not worked with the others at all and not as a team.

The other major concern we have about Town Builder Studios is that they do not have the tools necessary to allow community involvement as Houseal Lavign does. Town Builder Studios will rely on key interviews with individuals and a few town hall meetings, where they would present a plan for feedback.

Houseal Lavign, on the other hand, has a dedicated server and website built for community involvement where residents would be invited to log on at any time to drag and drop icons and add comments with their concerns and comments about favorite places. Not only that, but Houseal Lavign has just come out with a new software for modeling and analysis that other firms are actually paying them to use for their own projects.

Finally, our last concern with Town Builder Studios is that in their presentation, they stated that they would focus less on basic goods and more on entertainment, restaurants and services. Ideally, they touted a service business that would convert movie reels into discs. They also suggested hosting a knitting party downtown, a dinner by design event as well as a few other event ideas. We are concerned by these comments as they do not address retail mix, property use nor building maintenance. In fact, the Town Builder Studio team stated that they would only focus on what they could control, such as parking and events.

How the voting ended last night:

The voting was as follows: Trustees Sara Lee, Tim Armstrong and Pete Ladesic all voted for Houseal Lavign. Trustees Peter Norton and Jim Comerford voted for Town Home Builders. Trustee Michelle Thorsell voted for Vanderwalle and stated her second vote would be for Houseal Lavign. If President Hase gets to vote, she has voiced she will vote for Town Home Builders.

PLEASE review the links and information below and then visit the following Village site to voice your opinion: www.glenellyn.org/econtact.htm. Please send it by end of day Friday so that it goes into the Trustees packets for Monday.

Voicing your opinion NOW is the most important action you can take to help determine the future of Glen Ellyn. Go Downtown's board members cannot stress enough that the company selected to develop the long-term strategic plan will recommend changes that will affect Glen Ellyn for many years. If you want to help steer the direction of Glen Ellyn's long-term future, it is IMPERATIVE you voice your opinion via comments to the village AND, if possible, attend the meeting on Monday evening (12/17/07) at 7:00pm to ensure the correct firm is selected and that any decision is done in the public eye.

Overview of final two firms:

1. Houseal Lavigne: www.hlplanning.com. John Houseal will be the project planner and Dan Gardner, a current GE resident and past Trustee, will be on the team. They will partner with McDonough Associates to ensure they have the best preservation team involved on the project. McDonugh was noted as the best at project funding and has considerable experience at historic preservation. Pros: incredible resident involvement options from community meetings to a website where residents can log in and drag/drop and make comments on what is important to them. Also have created a 3D modeling and analysis software that allows the Village to see visually how all the changes will look both to the commercial buildings as well as the surrounding residential ar ea. This firm has also won 3 out of 6 available awards in October 2007 from the Illinois Chapter of the American Planning Association. Pr ojects include Geneva, Kenilworth, Park Ridge, Winfield and more. They are enthusiastic, have tremendous experience and have identified project deliverables to keep the Village moving forward. They have worked on more than 30 regional clients in last 3 years.

2. Town Builder Studios: www.townbuilderstudios.com. Jim Louthen is President and will serve as project manager. He will work with 3 other individuals on this project, each from a different firm representing a different area of expertise. Aaron Gruen, from Gruen, Gruen and Associates for Marketing, Walker Parking, for Parking and Traffic, and Bauer Latoza, for Landscape Architect. While some of the above individuals have worked together before, all four have not worked on a project together and some have not worked with others at all. Their experience consists of Robbins Comprehensive Plan (Robbins has a population of 6,300 and has many floodplains), Riverson Mixed-Use Development in Farmington, New Mexico (framed by mesas and rivers an d is an Indian Nation), Fox River Woods (a new neighborhood being created over 400 acres), Berwyn Transit-Oriented Development Study (has not been completed yet), Whittier Creek Neighborhood in Wisconsin (another new 86 acres development) and Hidden Meadows Neighborhood in Park Forest (75 acres next to a Forest Preserve, also a new community of 72 acres of homes and 3 acres of commercial). They did say they had over 25 downtown plans and 250 projects completed, but it is not clear if that is all 4 companies combined or Jim's previous experience at his old company. The above examples are from their website. Aaron Gruen spoke at the presentation of focusing only on what they can control, which includes parking, food and entertainment. He stressed that what works is hosting events downtown such as a knitting party, dinner by designs, movies and jazz programs. He also stressed that service related businesses are a must. Another statement by him was "build it and they will come,” only works in movies. Community involvement would involve providing plans to the community for feedback and key interviews.

YOUR VOICE COUNTS IN THIS DECISION! Send your selection to the Village link: www.glenellyn.org/econtact.htm.
Again, if you have the time, PLEASE attend the meeting on Monday evening at 7:00pm. We need to show the Village that we have a voice in the company that is selected.

Regards,

Go Downtown!

www.downtownglenellyn.com


Just in case the official position is a claim that Trustee Thorsell did not originally select Houseal Levigne as her second choice as reported by the Daily Hearld and Glen Ellyn Sun, I want to make sure this e-mail, which was sent on 12.13.07, is linked into the history of this board.
 
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This is too damn funny, guys.
If you wrote it as fiction, folks would say it was unbelievable.
I think the town has truly turned the corner with this move.
 
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Do we know why Vicky voted in the first place? Was she supposed to vote? If not, why did she?


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