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GlenEllynite
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were the letters received on the website part of the trustee homework reading packet, i wonder?
 
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I don't think the board has seen your letter yet but I expect to see every last one. I think Diane from Go Downtown has been banned from this board for speaking out against the EDC but she called Berwyn and Robbins and both stated that the plans put together for them from Town Builders were not realistically implementable. On a different note, is that Ultra Man on your Avatar?


Meaning you haven't? Are you saying that only a selective grouping were provided to you prior to Monday's vote? How can the trustees cast an educated vote if they haven't been given all the materials, especially from we citizens?


"You shouldn't soil your Sunday pants, like those other foolish ants."
 
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GE News article here. There is an especially juicy Christmas present for Clam in that article. I'm surprised he hasn't pounced yet.
 
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Hase defended her handling of the vote, saying it would be unfair to criticize her for what happened when she was just as uncertain as the trustees on how to proceed.


“I’m sorry if I don’t think fast enough, but that’s the reality of what happened,” Hase said.
But her justifications were not enough to assuage the three trustees’ concerns, as Ladesic called into question the fairness of the entire hiring process.


Said another way, "it is unfair to criticize her on her total leadership failure as she really didn't know what to do."....that's comforting.

Even though, I guess she did show her "leadership" by getting Trustee Thorsell to compromise her preference on the matter.

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Head hanging low. . . shaking from side to side. Why she just doesn't admit to being in over her head rather than strong-arming this town into bad situations simply because she can. . . and not having to live with these decisions as a resident as I don't believe she will be sticking around GE after her term is mercifully over. . . is preposterous.

Being the village president in a town like this shouldn't be a game, shouldn't be bestowed upon those next in line simply because they have served on some committee in the past, shouldn't be a social stepping stone. . . this is important business. Sooner or later the good people of this town will realize this and elect someone who knows what he or she is doing. Not just a figurehead.

Before anyone jumps on me or my opinions, I'd like to point out that I have never met Mrs. Hase. She could very well could be the nicest, sweetest, most helpful person in Glen Ellyn. Watching her in action in the middle seat personally makes me believe otherwise. My attacks are strictly on her ability to function as village president. That being said, I would welcome her stepping down and getting back into private life. That quote in the paper proves my point.


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What's most interesting about this is the fact that the village seems always to pick the worst decision possible -- given a situation where better decisions are available.

The "8mm-to-DVD" conversion store idea is just plain weird. Actually, it's more than weird. It's wonderfully *incorrect* -- and yet inevitably is (or will be) the one chosen.

Throw up an incorrect idea -- and the village will say, yeah, that's good. I like that. Do you like that? Sure. We like it. Damn, that's the right one. Friend, it doesn't get any better. How can it? It can't. Is that the one? That, my friend, is the *one*.

I keep thinking of a table of poker players when I read these stories about the Village cabal. Our cabal are the guys (and gals) sitting at the table who always -- like clockwork -- happily misread strength of their opponents -- and then are more than willing to throw good money into the pot. But they don't do it out of ignorance. They do it out of contempt. They do it because they're so peeved at the rightness of the right play that they get all aggressive with the wrong play -- out of principle. For them, the wrong play is righter -- more righteous -- than the right simply because the dudes across the table playing correctly can't possibly be *that* correct. It's sort of a fascist hubris, really.

What's interesting isn't the hubris -- fascist or no. I mean, that's always a given when the powerless suddenly become powerful and endowed with what they consider to be a kind of visionary authority. (We can look to Springfield and Blagojevich to see proof of this.)

What's interesting is the almost mathematical inevitibility of the *wrong* choice. Why is this? Why is Glen Ellyn like this?

And about the poker table: the village cabal gives the short-term appearance of success. They're so weirdly aggressive -- and consistently inconsistent -- that they scare most folks out of the pot. In the short-term, they tend to win -- but not in the long-term. Probability still -- eventually -- drops its heavy hammer.

So there's hope. In theory. Right?

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What's most interesting about this is the fact that the village seems always to pick the worst decision possible -- given a situation where better decisions are available.

The "8mm-to-DVD" conversion store idea is just plain weird. Actually, it's more than weird. It's wonderfully *incorrect* -- and yet inevitably is (or will be) the one chosen. (What, did they forget about PJ's? Hands down one of the best photographic supply/service stores in the 'burbs. Where in the world can you still pick up Kodak D76 or a little can of Acufine, for chrissake?! Central Camera, sure -- but when you're not downtown, it's nice to have a place nearby that sells actual Tri-X for those of us still shooting film. But I digress...)

Throw up an incorrect idea -- and the village will say, yeah, that's good. I like that. Do you like that? Sure. We like it. Damn, that's the right one. Friend, it doesn't get any better. How can it? It can't. Is that the one? That, my friend, is the *one*.

I keep thinking of a table of poker players when I read these stories about the Village cabal. Our cabal are the guys (and gals) sitting at the table who always -- like clockwork -- happily misread strength of their opponents -- and then are more than willing to throw good money into the pot. But they don't do it out of ignorance. They do it out of contempt. They do it because they're so peeved at the rightness of the right play that they get all aggressive with the wrong play -- out of principle. For them, the wrong play is righter -- more righteous -- than the right simply because the dudes across the table playing correctly can't possibly be *that* correct. It's sort of a fascist hubris, really.

What's interesting isn't the hubris -- fascist or no. I mean, that's always a given when the powerless suddenly become powerful and endowed with what they consider to be a kind of visionary authority. (We can look to Springfield and Blagojevich to see proof of this.)

What's interesting is the almost mathematical inevitibility of the *wrong* choice. Why is this? Why is Glen Ellyn like this?

And about the poker table: the village cabal gives the short-term appearance of success. They're so weirdly aggressive -- and consistently inconsistent -- that they scare most folks out of the pot. In the short-term, they tend to win -- but not in the long-term. Probability still -- eventually -- drops its heavy hammer.

So there's hope. In theory. Right?


This might be the best post I've ever seen on this board.

That being said, I liked it even better before it was edited.
 
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GlenEllynite
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Ditto. And I write some excellent stuff. Big Grin


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humble too.
 
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Well, I did use an emoticon.


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Hi,

What's that saying about awakening a sleeping giant? Heck, I just got home and I have 8 emails about this topic. (Do we all just know the same group of people?) I doubt it. This kind of reminds me of how the momentum picked up against the referendum at some point earlier this year. I remember seeing emails and hearing comments from people who previously expressed little interest in what was going on with D41.

Here we have a situation where people are truly pissed. (Can I use that word?)
I'd be surprised if that clique didn't see more competition next time from candidates running as Independents. Only next time they won't be able to say that anyone is attempting to 'buy the election.' IMO we finally have some Trustees with an independent spirit that are willing to speak up. Not to mention the GoDowntown! Group that has been instrumental in getting the word out to the average Joe (or Joe-ette) like me.
 
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We need to find out who Vicki Haselteen is and invite him/her to this board!


"The right shoes can change your life."—Cinderella
 
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GlenEllynite
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I think we should figure out who that Jim Burket guy is. Seems super insightful.

If you're out there, Mr. Burket. . . please, join us.


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I'd be surprised if that clique didn't see more competition next time from candidates running as Independents. Only next time they won't be able to say that anyone is attempting to 'buy the election.' IMO we finally have some Trustees with an independent spirit that are willing to speak up.


I'll take that as a personal shot against me. I did say that he was buying the election...and so what. If you look at expenditures...in every race across the US, the winner is usually the CANDIDATE with the most money and who spends the most money. It's a fact of life and certainly a fact of politics.

I will always stand by my previous statements that the CBP was a good organization because it permitted people to run for office without expending a lot of money on campaigning and without creating factions in the community. Obviously, what we have seen is proof positive that it isn't the best indicator of future success, but in theory, it made sense to me...not so much anymore.

I'll bet if you asked the CANDIDATE that ran, he spent more money than he wished he would have had to...and I'll be if you looked at the numbers...he outspent everyone...buy a good margin....and thank god he did. Smile

But just to nit-pick...because that's what I do. You say trusteeS...using the plural form...you know, the other trusteeS that "have a back-bone" are CBP candidates.
 
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GlenEllynite
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I think we should figure out who that Jim Burket guy is. Seems super insightful.

If you're out there, Mr. Burket. . . please, join us.


He probably knows Vicki Haselteen. Can't help but admire people like that!


"The right shoes can change your life."—Cinderella
 
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I'll take that as a personal shot against me. I did say that he was buying the election...and so what. If you look at expenditures...in every race across the US, the winner is usually the CANDIDATE with the most money and who spends the most money. It's a fact of life and certainly a fact of politics.

I will always stand by my previous statements that the CBP was a good organization because it permitted people to run for office without expending a lot of money on campaigning and without creating factions in the community. Obviously, what we have seen is proof positive that it isn't the best indicator of future success, but in theory, it made sense to me...not so much anymore.


A lot of us have been where you were at some point in our GE residency, we just saw what was happening and changed our view. It is ok, we understand where you were and where you are now. Most of us did not grow up in Glen Ellyn. Little did we realize that once we moved here, we would have to grow up all over again! Welcome to the really grown-up segment of GE!


"The right shoes can change your life."—Cinderella
 
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AMEN!
 
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I believe Ms. Haselteen has posted a reply to the others that questioned her post yesterday. Smile
 
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So there's hope. In theory. Right?


Yes! Now that you have so eloquently defined the problem, the fix seems not only possible, but not all that difficult. Thank you, Farber55 ... purposefully or not, your post gave the village an amazing present this holiday season!
 
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What's most interesting about this is the fact that the village seems always to pick the worst decision possible -- given a situation where better decisions are available.


In some respects reminds me of my workplace. Years ago we gave up hope of figuring out how decisions were made at the highest levels of management. But we hit upon one predictor that has proven flawless on numerous occasions. When faced with a potential decision/action, all the people with the most knowledge of the situation need do is see if we could identify 1 choice that is unquestionably reasonable, achievable, and would accomplish the needed tasks with the least possible negative implications.

Having done that, we could comfortably predict that that was NOT the option management would decide upon! Big Grin

So perhaps our town's management style is not entirely unique!
 
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