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Originally posted by Yossarian:
Fan-All done putting away your groceries from Trader Joe's already?

BTW-Have you put on some weight?

YES

YES - 8lbs.....screw you! Now I need to go eat lunch.

You're not the only one who knows how to provoke a response.

Serously, I thought your shoulders looked a little bigger, maybe it's 8 pounds of muscle from working with a trainer. You are still working with a trainer right?

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Originally posted by Amy:


I haven't read all the other posts after Jombl's ....

That's a shame. You missed eight short, mostly one sentence, standing ovations for bitterboy's principled rebuttal of Daniel's attacks and damnation of the community.

As for myself, here are some citations supporting my comments.

This is Daniel's describing the job she had before going to divinity school:

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(I) took a job at a nonprofit organization that helped at-risk and homeless teenagers in Washington, D.C. My job was to recruit volunteers...

In my new work, I learned how to work with families in crisis and discovered how hard life was for my fellow citizens in the nation's capital. The people who worked at this agency came from every background. Some had lived hard and in poverty; others were like me, recent college graduates fresh from the ivory tower. Social work veterans schooled us, and we bonded with one another in our lack of training and our desire to help a hurting world. We learned our way around public housing projects and police stations, and discovered where kids hid on the way to becoming homeless. I was downwardly mobile, but I was on the highest learning curve of my life.

I am unable to find the reference I previously read in which she speaks about ministering to the homeless as part of her formal training to be a pastor.

Note: Daniels has lauded herself for writing on Economic Justice and her husband is a professional Labor Organizer.

As to your comment that Daniels has been here for only 4 years and PADS much longer ... Please realize that we only started to see a backlash against PADS about three years ago, and seriously for perhaps two.

Daniels was a professionally trained and paid organizer and advocate for the homeless who also has extensively criticized affluent communities. She reminds me of the old saying, "To a man with a hammer, the world is a nail."

She appears to see all that she views through her own personal prism of money. She then finds reasons in the bible to support her personal worldview. In the end, those who disagree with her interpretation are labeled as ungodly and blasphemous and damned.

I'm sorry if you feel that her religious instruction is somehow sacrosanct, and simply a one-way conduit of truth.

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As to your comment that Daniels has been here for only 4 years and PADS much longer ... Please realize that we only started to see a backlash against PADS about three years ago, and seriously for perhaps two.

So, correlation implies causation?

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Originally posted by jombl:
She then finds reasons in the bible to support her personal worldview. In the end, those who disagree with her interpretation are labeled as ungodly and blasphemous and damned.

This NEVER happens in right wing world.

Rev. Lillian Daniels 09/07/08 Sermon as 'Sermon of the Week' in the Chicago Tribune

It is easy to see why this is one of the few growing Protestant churches in DuPage County.

FCCGE-Rev. Lillian Daniels Chicago Tribune

New to the board. Do not plan to get sucked in to this fight but feel compelled to make one post.

This thread has one mean and nasty tone. Fine if you wish to be that way. I will not play.

Repeating half-truths over and over does not make them true. Attacking motives is a bully's play and since no one can know another's motives, not much of a way to argue.

PADs guests may be troubled but do not frequently commit rape of young girls. Thank God. Saying it is so is not right.

Lillian does not and did not say people were damned -- at least that I've ever heard or read. repeating it as fact does not make it fact.

As it relates to Rev. Daniel's sermons, many are on a web site. Getting what she said correct, is not a matter for hearsay. Read the sermons again.

Using your screen names and "I know who you are even if you don't know who I am" seems an odd way to have meaningful discussion about difficult and complex issues like PADs.

My name is Russ. Don't email me. Don't call me. Feel free to stop by the visitor table at church. I'm there most every Sunday.

Hi Russ!

"Frequently"? I keep trying to read the rest of your post but keep getting stuck on that one word. I read the sentence over and over and still can't get any further.

Much like the other posts in the election rings, I find it funny that the people who are being called out for their comments or action are always the ones who complain that the BB'ers are bully complainers and not worth the trouble to respond to. Russ, I appreciate your comments here, but there are issues that have been discussed with some very valid points. There have also been some very good ideas and actions that have stemmed from these discussions. If you do not want to play, fine. I am not anonymous on this board and you can feel free to e-mail or call me anytime.

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Lillian does not and did not say people were damned -- at least that I've ever heard or read. repeating it as fact does not make it fact.

EXCELLENT statement, Russ.

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Using your screen names and "I know who you are even if you don't know who I am" seems an odd way to have meaningful discussion about difficult and complex issues like PADs.

Russ-If you read some of the PADS threads then you know that there have been BB members who have reached out to PADS and have been ignored. Hard to have a discussion when one party refuses to be engaged.

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Russ-If you read some of the PADS threads then you know that there have been BB members who have reached out to PADS and have been ignored. Hard to have a discussion when one party refuses to be engaged.

In the same respect, there have been many on this board that claim to be experts about the PADS program, but who have never even volunteered one day or evening to expose themselves to the process or to the human beings that utilize the program. This, in my book, is a major issue as well.

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Originally posted by GlenEllynRing:

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Russ-If you read some of the PADS threads then you know that there have been BB members who have reached out to PADS and have been ignored. Hard to have a discussion when one party refuses to be engaged.

In the same respect, there have been many on this board that claim to be experts about the PADS program, but who have never even volunteered one day or evening to expose themselves to the process or to the human beings that utilize the program. This, in my book, is a major issue as well.

Hence the need for meaningful dialogue between the two parties.

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Hence the need for meaningful dialogue between the two parties.

I agree, but the dialogue would be more intelligent on the naysayers side if they were actually exposed to the program and the human beings that utilize it.

For better or worse, the community is exposed to the program and those using it. You need not be in the building to be exposed.

I wish we could all love one another again...like they do in some parts of this village.

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You need not be in the building to be exposed.

I disagree. Many of the comments about the users of PADS are the ones that are thought of as unclean and undesirable. There are many children that have had a warm bed and a hot meal in the security of many of Glen Ellyn's various church buildings. Why has that not been brought up? To truly know what the program does and to truly know the people that this program serves, you really need the exposure to them in more than just with a random meeting on the street, in the library or at Starbucks.

I must disagree. If anyone has ever seen me on any given weekend, they will notice that I am unclean. In the warmer months...I am downright objectionable. I continue to believe...preach even...that not one "normal" person in this village is against the homeless, not interested in assisting those in need, not charitable. The vast majority of complaints comes from behavior. That isn't a homeless thing. The same behavior, as your preacher lady says, come from the mass of Hadley 7th and 8th graders that clog our village. Equal rules for all, that's what I say. Do you disagree?

I agree with equal rules for all, but I do know that there are residents that would just like the program to go away, for these people to be bussed or sent on a train elsewhere. THIS is where I have a problem...people that think this is the solution, but have not been exposed to the people or the program. I think we are on two different paths.

You may be correct. Question...the last I counted, there are about 17 communities on the three train lines that go through DuPage county. I have noticed on the calendar that Glen Ellyn carries a huge burden in comparison to other communities. I think if I looked at the schedule correctly, that only 5 towns host PADS shelters throughout the week. Do you know why that is? I ask simply out of curiosity, and ...to be honest...it doesn't seem very fair for one community to do so much while the majority to do nothing.