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Library Policies Article


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Posts: 6123 | Location: Glen Ellyn, Illinois | Registered: June 09, 2004Edit or Delete MessageReport This Post
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Originally posted by Amy:

Bitterboy, where is your proof that they require no meaningful ID? Becuase I am told that they require identification at the beginning of each PADS season and that ID needs to demonstrate that they lived in DuPage County.


They check ID right after the do "Announcements" and right after they validate the number of stays a PADSer has used up. Wink

Amy... were you able to validate the monthly vs. weekly schedule at 1st Cong? As I mentioned in a thread last week, the note I got from the church said that they decided to open the shelter EVERY sunday, not just once per month.
 
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Fan, the first story is the same incident I was speaking of a few posts above. This is a REAL example of the danger our community faces. This same article confirms what the USA Today Article stated, that being, many homeless are sex offenders.

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And though not all homeless men are sex offenders by any stretch, a large number of sex offenders are, in fact, homeless.


We as a community cannot sit here and say to ourselves, well that happened in a big city many miles away, its very unlikely it will happen in small town G.E.

What is it going to take?

The other two articles are excellent and very informative. No doubt it will be challenged.


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Originally posted by darlili:
Would it be possible to levy some sort of impact fee on the PADS sponsors (the churches, PADS itself), to help pay for increased security, etc., maybe within a given radius of PADS sites and for some time period before and after PADS nights?

BTW, I never received a phone call back from the church regarding its proposal for summer PADS nights. Are the PADS people actually willing to sit down with the affected villages, such as Downers Grove and Glen Ellyn and work out some solutions? Amy, have they ever talked with you regarding how they feel about what's happening in the library, the CBD, etc, and how it's stoking anger, etc., within residents?


I didn't either Darlili, and It's been two weeks. I do know a neighbor got a call back. The church's answer -- "If they are bothering you, call the police".
 
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Originally posted by GE Fan:
"Excuse me sir, I would like to buy $425.00 worth of rights."

That is it - I can open a "rights" store in the CBD. Since 73.467% of all people in the CBD at any given time are homeless vagrants, and since they pay no money and have no rights, I can target the largest segment of the potential shopping base by opening this "rights" store. We can sell "freedom of assembly" for $20, "freedom from unreasonable searches and seizures" for $10, "freedom of speech" for $5 and "freedom of religion" for $.50. Of course, I will not accept change but will put a change machine in the shop and take 10% of all converted monies as a convenience fee.

I will make a killing. Bad pun - Well, of course I would have to sell the "right to bear arms" for at least $500....because after all, I'll be very community conscious and won't want any trouble.


$5/per mile for the speed limit?
 
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The thing is that the church and the people who assist at the church are all volunteers. If you want answers, I'd go directly to PADS. If you want to make sure the local PADS churches know your concerns, you should just talk to one of the ministers. They want to know if things happening at their church are causing problems. I have not spoken with my minister or the volunteer coordiators. I suppose I should. I guess I've been trying to deal directly with PADS....


I'm not sure I buy that - if I leave a message for a church secretary, specifcally mentioning my concerns, and it's never returned by anyone from that organization, I really don't care if they're paid or not, that's simply not good 'business'. And, now, it makes me wonder whether (a) they don't want to hear concerns and brush it off as being missed by a 'volunteer', or (b) if the organization/church simply isn't staffed well enough to handle even the response to a phone call, how can they be a PADS sponsor and manage that responsibly?

Shouldn't this volunteer secretary at least have been capable of passing along the message either to a minister, since I did ask about the church's responsibilities vis a vis PADS sponsorship, or one of the PADS organizers? I honestly did think some minister or sub-minister or whatever rankings they have there would have called me back sometime, assuming they want to be good neighbors to their community at large.

Or, maybe I just never got a call, but they've responded to other callers?

BTW, what as the PADS response been to all of this - not only Glen Ellyn's concerns, but the other suburbs that we've seen, such as Downers Grove in today's Tribune?
 
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Interesting. What if the public library became "the library?". A club devoted to reading and research to which you had to belong? Access denied?

I think there is going to be a groundswell of support for limiting the free access of public spaces such as libraries. Public safety can be stated as the objective. You can always apply reasonable restrictions if you state your civic objective narrowly. The Supreme's latest rulings are leaning in that direction.


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I am not holding my breath when it comes to relying on PADS to tell its clients to be good neighbors:

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Woodstock, IL

In April 2005, local merchants asked the City Council for help dealing with a number of homeless people disrupting business and harassing employees and customers. One business owner said, “My staff is afraid to stay there alone.” Nonetheless, they agreed that not all homeless men and women were the problem, only a small number who had obviously been drinking.

The Public Action to Deliver Shelter came under heat from the City Council because of claims that their “no drinking policy” was not being enforced. The shelter responded that their no drinking policy is strictly enforced and that there really is nothing it can do about controlling homeless behavior off site.

Mark Alston-Follansbee, executive director of the Somerville Homeless Coalition, said, “These are folks who are at the bottom of the barrel, and they get blamed for all kinds of problems in our society. I think if our society spent more thinking about helping them get homes, there’d be less of this kind of hysteria.”


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Someone once told me "work will set you free"

What do you think Ron?

Maybe some sort of gainful employment might help them? Wink

Business as usual just doesn't seem to be working.


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Does anyone want to help me create a Glen Ellyn Neighborhood Coalition to find a way to put an end to this homeless invasion? Honestly, I don't think there is enough awareness among the residents that this is going on. A lot of people are like me--working full time, raising a family, don't get into the downtown area too much. That doesn't mean they will stand by and let this happen. I am not a lawyer or an economist but I am a marketer with 25 years experience developing marketing programs for Fortune 500 companies. I bet with some help I could put together a terrific marketing/PR campaign to draw attention to this outrage. I can do it all: direct mail, e-mail blasts, media kits, etc. If residents know about it and say "Who cares?" that is one thing but I don't think there are enough residents that know about it.
My e-mail address is in my profile. I don't want to publish it here because I don't want to deal with a bunch of PADS people calling me a bigot. I want to put my energies into creating awareness of what is going on with the bulk of the Glen Ellyn residents who are unsuspecting. The PADS people are relying on the fact that most residents don't know that this is going on, believe me. They are a vocal minority that is imposing its will on the community and we need to reach out to the silent majority for help.
 
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Interesting. What if the public library became "the library?". A club devoted to reading and research to which you had to belong? Access denied?

I think there is going to be a groundswell of support for limiting the free access of public spaces such as libraries. Public safety can be stated as the objective. You can always apply reasonable restrictions if you state your civic objective narrowly. The Supreme's latest rulings are leaning in that direction.


I just checked and we are paying about $360 this year for Duane Street location of Club Library. Smile Dues went down from last year!
 
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Someone once told me "work will set you free"

What do you think Ron?

Maybe some sort of gainful employment might help them? Wink

Business as usual just doesn't seem to be working.


Are you suggesting concentration camps for the homeless?

Your surname is German...no? Who told you that work sets you free?


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Someone once told me "work will set you free"

What do you think Ron?

Maybe some sort of gainful employment might help them? Wink

Business as usual just doesn't seem to be working.


Are you suggesting concentration camps for the homeless?

Your surname is German...no? Who told you that work sets you free?


Those unfamilair with history are destined to repeat it. GEM-You've stepped into the racist do-do again, that phrase was placed over the entrances of some Nazi concentration camps.

Besides Clam is part French, he's worried you might invade his home and force him to surrender before you reach the kitchen. Big Grin

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I have a small house. GEM could overrun it in no time. My hands would be up tout de suite. Wouldn't want him reaching and pilfering my copper.


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Originally posted by Sweetmariez:
Does anyone want to help me create a Glen Ellyn Neighborhood Coalition to find a way to put an end to this homeless invasion? Honestly, I don't think there is enough awareness among the residents that this is going on. A lot of people are like me--working full time, raising a family, don't get into the downtown area too much. That doesn't mean they will stand by and let this happen. I am not a lawyer or an economist but I am a marketer with 25 years experience developing marketing programs for Fortune 500 companies. I bet with some help I could put together a terrific marketing/PR campaign to draw attention to this outrage. I can do it all: direct mail, e-mail blasts, media kits, etc. If residents know about it and say "Who cares?" that is one thing but I don't think there are enough residents that know about it.
My e-mail address is in my profile. I don't want to publish it here because I don't want to deal with a bunch of PADS people calling me a bigot. I want to put my energies into creating awareness of what is going on with the bulk of the Glen Ellyn residents who are unsuspecting. The PADS people are relying on the fact that most residents don't know that this is going on, believe me. They are a vocal minority that is imposing its will on the community and we need to reach out to the silent majority for help.


Go back and read the first page of the "Notification from PADS" thread in the "Goings On Around The Village..." forum. The ball is in motion.


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Someone once told me "work will set you free"

What do you think Ron?

Maybe some sort of gainful employment might help them? Wink

Business as usual just doesn't seem to be working.


Are you suggesting concentration camps for the homeless?

Your surname is German...no? Who told you that work sets you free?

Nope,

Nope again, Swedish.


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Someone once told me "work will set you free"



Those unfamilair with history are destined to repeat it. GEM-You've stepped into the racist do-do again, that phrase was placed over the entrances of some Nazi concentration camps.


Ron wrote that to me a few months back. Not trying to be a racist Yoss. Just didn't agree with the whole library pass. These homeless have the same right to use it as everyone else. I don't approve of it being used as a shelter, but it is. I just think the village needs to out think the PADS people and make it very inconvenient to use our town, library and CBD as a waiting room. I think it is even worse to limit free access to public buildings. Thats all I meant Yoss.

(Cut and pasted from Ronkas relative to public access)

Interesting. What if the public library became "the library?". A club devoted to reading and research to which you had to belong? Access denied?

I think there is going to be a groundswell of support for limiting the free access of public spaces such as libraries. Public safety can be stated as the objective. You can always apply reasonable restrictions if you state your civic objective narrowly. The Supreme's latest rulings are leaning in that direction.


I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me.

Ayn Rand
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Please see Fans comment with the horse, I choose to use his disclaimer also.


I am neither foe nor friend to my brothers, but such as each of them shall deserve of me.

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I am not a lawyer or an economist but I am a marketer with 25 years experience developing marketing programs for Fortune 500 companies. I bet with some help I could put together a terrific marketing/PR campaign to draw attention to this outrage. I can do it all: direct mail, e-mail blasts, media kits, etc.


That is great! even better would be for you to put your energies towards motivating people to help the homeless. If everyone did a little bit I'll bet we could make a difference.

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I want to put my energies into creating awareness of what is going on with the bulk of the Glen Ellyn residents who are unsuspecting. The PADS people are relying on the fact that most residents don't know that this is going on, believe me. They are a vocal minority that is imposing its will on the community and we need to reach out to the silent majority for help.


I'd be willing to bet there are more PADS volunteers than people complaining on this board.
 
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I'd be willing to bet there are more PADS volunteers than people complaining on this board.


Very likely. The list of names is huge. Upon close inspection, there seems to be the same, repeated small group that donate their time and function as chaperone's. I think many people volunteer, however when their number is called, they are suddenly unavailable.
 
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