What happens to the pads people who come out for pads, but don't have an ID and get turned away? These are the ones that scare me! Where do they go? Where do they sleep? Worst of all how do they get money to support their drug habbit. . . I mean to buy food or a train ticket. These are the more desperate ones in my opinion. The ones that wouldn't hesitate to stick a knife in you for the change in your pocket.

What does pads do with the pads rejects? The ones they consider to risky to let into the church?

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Originally posted by Clamato:
People, in general, are lazy. That's the problem.

The voice of experience!

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Originally posted by GEmom2:
I have driven up and down Western probably over 10,000 times since I've lived in Glen Ellyn and have never thrown anything out of the car, not has anyone in my car. Do people really do that?!

I was going to post a topic concerning this but I didn't want to cut into Yoss' lead.

Is is inappropriate or appropriate to throw biodegradable foods out the window. For example, and only for example, let's say that I was eating a banana....and was finished eating the good part...and threw the banana skin out the window into a wooded area of town...am I a dick or is that acceptable because my wife seems to think that my action was repulsive....and I thought it was perfectly okay.

EDIT - Deleted as this is merely an example and not a rehashing of a Fan vs Fanette fight.

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Originally posted by GE Fan:
I was going to post a topic concerning this but I didn't want to cut into Yoss' lead.

Is is inappropriate or appropriate to throw biodegradable foods out the window. For example, and only for example, let's say that I was eating a banana....and was finished eating the good part...and threw the banana skin out the window into a wooded area of town...am I a dick or is that acceptable because my wife seems to think that my action was repulsive....and I thought it was perfectly okay.

EDIT - Deleted as this is merely an example and not a rehashing of a Fan vs Fanette fight.

This isn't a very big offense, so I would say you were a little dick. On the other hand (no pun intended) Wildlife may come from the wooded area to eat the banana peel and get struck by another vehicle. So this would make you a big dick. Why not just throw it in a trash can where it belongs or compost if you recycle?

I believe most, not all, trash that appears in the spring is caused by the way that our garbage is collected. I have seen this time and time and time.......and time........again. The arm picks up the can, fills a bin and the bin is raised and dumped into the truck. On windy days in particular, the dumping of the front bin causes garbage...sometimes a lot of garbage...to blow away from the truck and gravity causes the crap to land on the street, sidewalk, and front lawns all around Midwest.

People who see this stuff in the road in front of their home, on the sidewalk or on their front yard really should just simply bend over and pick it up.

Like you can bend over!!!!! Right........

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Originally posted by GEM:
compost if you recycle?

Due to the sub-arctic unfriendly composting conditions...the compost bin is and has been full.

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Originally posted by IMJ:
Like you can bend over!!!!! Right........

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Originally posted by Amy:


Ms. Epstein also told me that they have started a new program through PADS this year, requiring all people checked into PADS for the night to meet as a group for announcements. During this time, they will talk to ALL PADS facilities about showing good stewardship to each community.

Phew...I feel better now.

Maybe they can explain what "Stewardship" is between the requests to not eat with their hands and to quit shitting behind the movie theater.

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She did state that every PADS resident must register with PADS and show a Drivers License or a State issued ID card. As far as other background checks go, they check their clients against an online list of registered offenders but they do not have access to a system like LEDS to run other checks. This seems like it could be easily handled by having the respective police departments run them as a matter of public safety.

Exactly! They claim that they check for registered sex offenders, but that's where it ends. They don't run other checks that may uncover a criminal background! Based on the stuff I read, they feel that the police are an impediment to the well being of their clients and unless specifically requested, they don't want the police involved. They are a shelter of last resort and guys like Jackson who have a criminal record slip into our community unbeknownst to all. This needs to be changed.

DLs and state IDs are news to me. I wonder tho, if these are the only forms of ID they accept. I hope this is true.

BTW-Jombl: The last I checked, which was recently, PADS allows clients to self diagnose regardless of whether they are delusional or intoxicated. PADS volunteers are not allowed to override self diagnosis.

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Originally posted by glellyn:

Phew...I feel better now.

Maybe they can explain what "Stewardship" is between the requests to not eat with their hands and to quit shitting behind the movie theater.

I believe they do get rather specific in discussing some of the complaints. I told her about people falling asleep on tables in restaurants, asking people to move to another seat in Starbuck's because "that's my usual seat", people asking for money, people dropping cigarette butts everywhere, unloading dirty laundry from their bag inside a restaurant, sleeping on benches, and cleaning one's body in public view. I also mentioned the general lack of manners. I believe she wrote these things down because she wanted to be able to share these complaints during the announcements. We'll see.

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Originally posted by CovetedLakeEllyn:
Hi,

I have a suggestion. Since PADS needs approval from our village to operate (at least I darned well hope so), why can't we pass an ordinance requiring that any/all homeless people who want to sleep at PADS must first REGISTER WITH GLEN ELLYN POLICE DEPARTMENT FIRST. They can be given some sort of a monthly pass which enables them to use PADS services. Here is how it will work:

1. They simply stop in on Duane Street and show the I.D. that PADS is claiming they must have. Note: I am not exactly buying it. I wouldn't be surprised if some did not have any I.D. at all. Anyhow, they would need to get an I.D. and show it to the police.

2. G.E.'s finest simply run their name and data into the system. Same way they do when they pull one of us over for speeding. It will come up with any outstanding warrants and it will say if they are a registered sex offender or not.

3. If they "Pass" (are free from warrants and are not a sex offender)....terrific. They get some sort of cheap laminated card or whatever. It is good for one month (or week) at PADS.

4. They must show this card to the PADS rep in order to be admitted.

I would argue that if P.A.D.S. is reluctant to ask its patrons to complete this simple step -- it is because they KNOW that some of these people are offenders or have outstanding warrants.

Is it too much to ask that we know who is sleeping in our church basements when the preschool starts only two hours after they are supposed to leave? I think not.

The upshot.....watch how interesting it gets when the parade of homeless people show up on Duane day after day. Think anyone will notice we have an issue here in G.E?

Candidate please weigh in.

Coveted
Your suggestions as to how to process background checks are good ones, the most important thing is to make sure it gets done.
As I stated, PADS does not, and probably should not, have direct access to systems available to our Police Department but there are many ways to accomplish it. Rather than having a special PADS card showing they have been cleared their is probably a way for PADS to have access to a bar code reader to read the information on the back of our Drivers License's which could be run through the State's computer. This way the information can be checked against the States computer on a daily basis in the event that a warrant was put out before their PADS card was re certified.I am not sure if their are similar bar codes on the back of State ID's but I would guess there is. Can you ask your husband to see his
I would like to see the burden put on PADS to check their clients, so that it doesn't cost you and I money paying village employees to do it, while still regulating this through our PD.
They could be required to maintain a log of clients who use their facilities and at least track who was where when. With a bar code system this would be simple to do.
Beth, their director, has a criminal justice background and is very aware of the types of people she deals with. She welcomes input and is very open to suggestions we all may have as to how PADS can accomplish their goals while respecting us and our community. She was willing to give me her cell number and another case workers cell number to contact if we wanted their intervention on any issues in or around a shelter.
I think it will be good to have a meeting with them and express some of our concerns and offer suggestions. I am hoping for the first weekend in May. The weekend after our "Clean Sweep" weekend.
Beth's e-mail address is on the PADS website and she has been very responsive so you may want to forward these thought to her.
I will keep you posted.

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Originally posted by bitterboy:
They are a shelter of last resort and guys like Jackson who have a criminal record slip into our community unbeknownst to all. This needs to be changed.

Jackson was not a PADS patron. The people who were living in the home that allowed him to stay with them had been....

Amy,
Good point. Beth suggested to the developers partner NOT to allow that cohabitation to happen but throwing caution to the wind it did.
Kind of a Row house concept I guess

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Originally posted by Amy:
I believe they do get rather specific in discussing some of the complaints. I told her about people falling asleep on tables in restaurants, asking people to move to another seat in Starbuck's because "that's my usual seat", people asking for money, people dropping cigarette butts everywhere, unloading dirty laundry from their bag inside a restaurant, sleeping on benches, and cleaning one's body in public view. I also mentioned the general lack of manners. I believe she wrote these things down because she wanted to be able to share these complaints during the announcements. We'll see.

I'm sure they try to get specific. I was just playing ;-) on the concept of trying the build up these people as "stewards" of the community. When you are dealing with people who deficate in public places, are pulling food out of garbage bins, and are likely mentally ill, stewardship is probably a hard concept to grasp.

The point being, PADS can't just "talk" to them during announcements. They need to be in the area prior to the opening and closing of these shelters and OWN the policing and management of their residents to mitigate any negative impacts on neighbors and businesses.

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Originally posted by Amy:

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Originally posted by bitterboy:
They are a shelter of last resort and guys like Jackson who have a criminal record slip into our community unbeknownst to all. This needs to be changed.

Jackson was not a PADS patron. The people who were living in the home that allowed him to stay with them had been....

Really? IIRC, the press reported that he was, at least at one point in time he was. Also, IIRC, PADS when asked refused to comment on whether he was or was not. What makes you so sure?

Bitterboy,
I don't know all the details. Jackson may have, at one point, been a PADS patron but my understanding is that he had not been for some time. He was homeless and I'm guessing that's how he knew this family. Remember PADS facilities do not all run all year round.

Yeah, I get what you say about expectations regarding those who use PADS being stewards. It's my word choice...and yes, people with serious mental illness and/or desperate or addicted people aren't likely to be very good at stewardship. But some basic guidelines for appropriate behavior can be learned. That being said, as for PADS reps being in the area, they will do that and she also gave me her cell as well as the on-call person's cell. If I see any specific problems, they asked me to call. She also indicated that the police are well within their rights to enforce village ordinances and acknowledged that Starbuck's received some very nasty publicity regarding the incident where they tried to ask a woman to leave (the woman they thought was homeless). She admits that many local businesses are probably a little gun-shy to ask people to leave after that incident. But she agreed that businesses can ask people to leave if all they do is hang out, take up space AND behave inappropriately.

Anyway, hope everyone has a good day.

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Originally posted by Amy: Jackson may have, at one point, been a PADS patron ...

I recall the hair-splitting being that the family that fell victim to the crime was sheltered with the assistance of PADS but that the Jackson family was not officially a PADS resident of that home.
The Jackson family was known to, and had used other PADS services.

(Fan you are absolutely correct biodegradables, like say apple cores, are always appropriate to compost discreetly in remote wilderness areas. I have a "friend" that may or may not have done this and his wife also went bat****.)

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Originally posted by Clamato:
People who see this stuff in the road in front of their home, on the sidewalk or on their front yard really should just simply bend over and pick it up.

Man, next thing you'll be having residents plowing the streets in front of their houses!

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Originally posted by Dinsdale:

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Originally posted by Clamato:
People who see this stuff in the road in front of their home, on the sidewalk or on their front yard really should just simply bend over and pick it up.

Man, next thing you'll be having residents plowing the streets in front of their houses!

How would you feel if you were ticketed for not picking up the trash in front of your home (that Fan threw out his window)?