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GlenEllynite |
Sorry to agree with Agnes, GE Fan...but after our conversation yesterday, it can't be much of a surprise. The whole concept of coddling cheaters by making sure nothing happens to them in the future...at the expense of honest, HARD WORKING kids, really makes me ill.
I agree the kids that do the work are the ones that suffer. |
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GlenEllynite |
I believe there was similar situation at one of the other schools. The stsudent who stole the test was given the option to transfer to another school before they expelled him. I believe I heard his parents were actually considering a lawsuit. I agree with Dins about having my kid drink at a party. That's a stupid mistake. I would imagine that if any of the kids are juniors, they do not get invited into NHS. As a honor student how do you explain that to the colleges you apply?
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GlenEllynite |
Good for you perplexed! I avoided the Hadley 8th grade parent meeting the other night because I didn't want to listen to the hysterical questions about what to do if one's child wasn't recommended for all honors...now that we are going to have our 3rd child at West we have finally learned that you need to treat each kid differently. Our oldest wasn't recommended for any honors but we knew that if we put him in 2, he'd probably rise to the challenge. He sometimes did, sometimes didn't! Our daughter who is a Junior is in all honors (and was recommended to be), but she deserves to be there. She has crazy self-imposed standards and works harder than anyone else in the family. Our youngest, however, despite the same before bedtime reading, same preschool, same math games etc. will most likely not be in any honors next year. He is just too laid back and while smart, currently feels that school work is but a drain on his sports and social existences. I now know that it just wouldn't be right for him. |
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GlenEllynite |
Thanks M - that is a bright side to all of this - my kid's chances of getting into NHS just got a lot better!
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GlenEllynite |
NHS at west...now there's a topic. apparently only 50 or so kids get in(may be less)...i knew one family with 3 kids over the years with great grades and activites and while invited NONE of them ever got in. so, don't count on it! nationally, NHS requires a 3.4 (on a 4.0) scale...any other criteria is up to the individual chapter.
i'm with you...it's not where you go but what you do with it. i bet jeffrey skilling's parents were really proud of him when he was the big hot dog at enron, and he probably lorded his successs over his brother the weatherman at thanksgiving dinner ...but i'd sure rather be tommy skilling today! sometimes the bad guys DO finish last! |
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GlenEllynite |
any more word on what happened with the cheating?
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GlenEllynite |
My guess is that kids will hear things at school today. I will definately ask my freshman this afternoon.
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GlenEllynite |
I heard that not only was the Senior going to be expelled, but a Junior who was caught peddling the test on the secondary market was also facing the same punishment. Hope to hear more today also (specifically what the teacher had to say to his classes!)
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GlenEllynite |
Expelled or suspended?
I am fairly certain that given a cape and a nice tiara, I could save the world. |
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GlenEllynite |
I heard that the kids caught with the answers - not the main perpetrator, just the secondary players- got suspensions - maybe 3-day? I think that's what my son told me - and a big fat zero on the exam. Which brought a whole lot of kids down to a 2, which doesn't count for a weighted grade, so it did some damage to some GPA's.
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GlenEllynite |
Man, junior year in HS I got a D in honors trig (due to laziness, not cheating). That dropped me off the weighted scale and dropped my rank from something like 30 to 190 (out of 1100). That was a BIG hit! Didn't affect my ability to get into the state college I always planned on attending, but things have changed since then. Some of these kids are definitely going to have to rethink their plans. |
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GlenEllynite |
Hey Red Dolphin, Welcome to your first deleted post.......congrats......I knew it was just a matter of time.....The post was entertaining while it was up there..
"Nothing changes if nothing changes." - Anonymous |
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GlenEllynite |
Well the latest I got from my daughter is that the test in question was given to the kid from last years teacher who either left or retired the kid did sell it but he only as a guide apparently he believed the new teacher would use a different test instead of just reusing last years.
As for the principals comments on "pressure" that these students must feel I wonder how taking away a study hall away from varsity athletes many of whom do not get home until seven or eight o'clock at night is going to help them with that. This only proves what I've said for a long time the schools are not run for the benefit of the students or the taxpayers but the teachers/administrators. |
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GlenEllynite |
And that after-the-fact story passes your BS detector? How about the kids wo programmed the answers into their calculators? No way the seller could have anticipated that! Saw the story in that SchoolWeek rag, where the principal says something like the teachers re-use the same tests year after year to compile data as to the effectiveness of their teaching techniques and such. Struck me as nearly as much BS as the "I was selling it as a study-guide" claim. Uh, I'm no genius WRT education, but would it be too much to expect of these adequately compensated professionals to compile a bank of questions sigificantly larger than the test size, and rotate mong those questions, re-ordering them every year? I'm sure that someone with some facility in statistics could easily calculate the size "question-bank" necessary to provide security while yielding useful data. Maybe some inter-district cooperation would allow those statistics mavens in the Hadley English department to look into this while they are not reading their students' work? Maybe each school needs another $100K+/year dean of commonsense? Or should this be a single district-wide superintendent position? |
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GlenEllynite |
it's for the kids!!!! although how taking away a study hall from varsity athletes is for the kids i don't know. on game nights these kids can be gone for 4 hours. (and that's freshman and sophs...who get no repreive from gym.) what a joke.
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GlenEllynite |
I'm not saying this is the truth or not but this is what I've heard as the latest. And it may explain why the punishment is not so harsh. And may also explain why the school is trying to deflect some of this. With the students are under so much pressure. Not that we make it so easy we practically invite kids to cheat. My daughter told me that four of her five mid-terms where scantrons.
One other thing that this new gym requirement will do is to hurt varsity sports. If you have ever been to say a football game almost every school suits up more players than West. So now if you're a second stringer or maybe someone who needs to keep their grades up well goodbye varsity team why bother. All so some Gym coach can do some empire building. |
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GlenEllynite |
Interesting "letter" from one of the kids nabbed in the Schoolweek paper today...a couple of inconsistencies caught my attention. The kid claims that right up until test time he thought he just had a "study guide" and didn't have anything programmed into his calculator. Why then was he hauled off to the Dean's office? The kids I know who were involved in Pre-calc H all say that only the kids with suspect problems on their calculators were punished. Also, while his parents seem intent on placing a martyr sign on their son's head, (poor baby might not get into a "select" school now), I don't buy the fact that by the time he took the test during the last session, he hadn't gotten word that THIS WAS THE ACTUAL TEST like every other kid.
Another item of note was that last year's teacher can't remember if he allowed the kids to keep their test copies. This tells me that maybe the one kid who might have innocently passed the test on as a study tool was the Senior who started the whole thing. Everyone afterwards, though, once it was clear that this thing contained the actual answers, was guilty, guilty, guilty. |
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GlenEllynite |
Yeah, and there was a letter from a parent - don't know if her kid was caught or not - referring to the purchase of "study aids" as common. Not among my kids during their honors/AP classes at West.
That is the best story this kid and his parents could come up with after having been caught? I'm not impressed. I love it - blame the teacher who didn't collect last year's test, and the teachers who didn't re-write the test. Blame society! It has to be somebody's fault other than the kids who were caught cheating! |
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GlenEllynite |
After thinking about this for a while, this issue has become pretty muddled for me.
Is it wrong to use a previous test as a study guide? When these kids take classes to do better on the ACT, aren't they taking tests that are like the real ACT? I think it's okay to use an old test as a study guide. The onus should be on the test giver. They should assume there are old tests out there. But given that position, is it okay to program problems into your calculator? I'm not talking about straight up answers, eg. "the answer to problem #14 is A." I'm talking about example problems and algorithms, eg. "if you get a problem like x, use this procedure to solve it." Is that wrong? |
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